really fond of each other. they found places to work together over the last two decades. that's what sam patten told me, anyway. when i was digging into this further it made me realize the extent to which kilimnik, i was looking at this in the frame of kilimnik had managed to ingratiate himself in washington politics. he was working for this lobbying firm. he was a principal in the firm and he was lobbying the whole purpose of this company was lobbying forth these very same clients that paul manafort was lobbying for. a whole bunch of threads kind of came together. then you have the cambridge analytica leapt which on its own is very interesting. >> that crossover, i did not know about that before reading about it in your piece in the atlantic in april. and i didn't really know what to make of it. that's when we were starting to learn about troubles at cambridge analytica. there had been a lot of questions about whether or not the trump campaign's data operation might be a key part of whether or not there was, you know, an american element to the russian