he is now sitting there exposed to 20 plus years in prison. in order to provide information that's going to make any difference to get him into a sentence that's going to be even reasonable he has got to be singing like the largest choir in this country. he has got to provide so much information, and he's got to feel comfortable about doing that to enter into this deal that he has got to have a lot of information. and if you kind of combine what is going on here with what happened with vander swan, who is the fellow who's now serving time in jail. >> yes. >> who pled guilty. >> the lawyer. >> right. and you look at the russian angle that's in this huge information that was filed today with this constantine -- a reputed russian intelligence officer. you look at that and the fact that vander swan at the urging