trump up until now have been based on this cult of personality, this loyalty of no matter what. and i think for cohen to cooperate and to get to the position where he could provide information about trump, you know, he really are needed to make that same kind of break, that soldiers and mafiosa make from their boss. and when they do that, i said this at the beginning when cohen got arrested and everyone was saying, he'll take a bullet for trump. and i said you know what? they all say they'll take a bullet until they won't. so this reminds me of that. and, again, i think it's a testament to how personal it is, but also how, you know, much we all, i think, see that, you know, there's so much about this election that is about trump, even though he's not on the ballot. >> kimberly, i want to get your reaction to this story. i picked it up and wondered how it advanced our sense of the president. you look back and what he
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