i don't think his hard core base are well versed on foreign policy. and you talk about mattis, a very serious person. that's a time where certainly that they spoke out but -- >> but the base doesn't. >> exactly. and when you think about jeff sessions, this is somebody who by all accounts pushed his domestic policy and he was still disrespected time and given aag we've all talked to people on capitol hill who roll their eyes but publicly they still promote this president and vote with him and they let him bypass the legislative process. >> you look at the internal poll numbers. how many republicans are starting to tell pollsters they would like an alternative in 2020? not sayinger that running against donald trump, not saying they disagree with the way he -- he's still at 75, 80% approval