explore possibilities of a pardon with president trump's lawyer. davis insists that doe not conflict with cohen's congressional testimony because cohen is no longer cooperating with the president's legal team. mr. trump's attorney rudy giuliani firing back never means never. cohen is heading to prison in part for pleading guilty for lying to congress. >> just furthers the narrative that maybe he's not the best conveyor of the truth. >> michael cohen lies like a dog. that's what he did. >> reporter: the white house's defense is consistent that michael cohen is a liar. it's been challenging for the past two weeks for president trump. >> our thanks to kristen welker for that report. i want to bring in our white house reporter for politico. gaby, as we get started with michael cohen and that lawsuit, where does it go as he prepares