trump run as an outsider. is it legit for the man who holds the office to continue positioning himself as an outsider? >> it's not legitimate. i think it will be difficult for him to do that this time around because of the point you made because he is holding the oval office. i think he will try to do that. i don't want to put words in kailey's mouth but i think he will try to position himself as an outsider even though he's a creature of washington. he's part of the swamp. he's the driving force behind the swamp. it will be that much harder to try to detract himself from that situation and try to paint himself as an outsider. >> can i ask you about the president said he may not reach out to swing voters in 2020. he told that the time magazine. i think my base is so strong i'm not sure i have to do that. look, adrian made that point if he's got 33, 34%, he can't win a