and sam. i was struck, as you were, watching the police cleave in dayton walk through what he characterized as a prez taksent. it was that. played a 911 tape, played several videos of what happened during the course of that scene. what's your takeaway from the way law enforcement handled that shooting in dayton, ohio, earl earlier this morning? >> couldn't have handled it better. the most important things were the killer had a 100-round drum. so if he had got inside the ned peppers, he really would have slaughtered a lot of people there. the most effective thing were the police were there already but had a tactical patrol rifle and a shotgun. the sergeant had a shotgun. those were equalizers to the long gun that the killer had. i'm sure they played a key role because the tactical patrol rifle could penetrate the body armor of the killer, the shotgun could knock him down and knock him back. the shotgun was the weapon i always reached for as a uniformed officer. so those made the things more
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