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As expressive shipping safety on the snippets of the concho and the reaction what was their reaction when we hit the american drone nothing. We are constantly monitoring the Security Council be keeping under review the kind of security that we need to keep british shipping safe. Also coming up the White House Social Media summit what do the people attending have in common well a love for donald trump and no love for the Mainstream Media. These people who dont like me and probably dont like you im going to talk directly to my followers about what i know about a White House Social Media fund tomorrow. On to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world well we begin the day with another clash on the seas between britain and iran tehran is denying accusations that its boat attempted to intercept a British Oil Tanker near the strait of hormuz the royal navy says that one of its frigates was forced to intervene now it comes a week after the u. K. Seized in a radian tanker loaded with oil allegedly headed for syria a violation of e. U. Sanctions against damascus and as tensions rise with tehran over tankers london is trying to save the Iran Nuclear Deal and almost impossible situation tonight we ask how much longer can london afford to play both saw. The strait of hormuz one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes through which a 3rd of the worlds seaborne oil passes irans navy is an active presence here. The narrowest point in the strait is only 40 kilometers wide the British Ministry of defense said the incident took place near the island of. It says this for get turned away raining speedboats stuff are threatening the British Oil Tanker the u. K. Foreign minister has responded by calling for calm obviously very concerning developments but also very proud of the royal navy and the role that they played in keeping British Assets british shipping safe well continue to monitor the situation very very carefully the fear is that this latest incident will escalation becomes days after british authorities seized an iranian tanker off gibraltar claiming it was violating sanctions by delivering oil to syria earlier this week iran also started enriching uranium beyond the limits set down the 2050 nuclear deal it signed with International Powers iran says the confrontation never happened its foreign minister mohammed serif has called a british accusations worthless irans Farce News Agency quote sorry for saying they are seeking to cover up their weaknesses with such claims as tensions in the gulf simmer diplomats are scrambling to keep the nuclear deal from on ruffling completely. I join me now here at the big table as marcus commies from the german history toot for international and security figures its good to see you again marcos lets talk to you weve been observing growing tensions here in the gulf for weeks now it is the situation between iran mean iran were iran and the u. K. Is that whats escalating or is it iran in the west that were seeing escalate now i would see in the west and around its a major player and its escalating already and we see it continue as escalation for the last couple of weeks its a strategy of as a matric warfare pursuit of iranians would be on the threshold of the not ability they denied to be involved another time if deemed to plant the bombs 2 weeks ago so all they intend to spread the instability and insecurity here and try to target u. S. Interests or western interests and. When you look at the u. K. It is it seems to be stuck in a very uncomfortable position you know its got the tensions right now over these tankers with iran at the same time its a member of one of the signatories to the nuclear deal with iran is trying to save that deal with iran how much longer do you think. One can afford to play both sides i dont think that it can afford any longer to play both sides and its mean we have seen this in iran sending signals to the west and maybe even in the nothing from the United Kingdom to run around and trying to put pressure on the remaining signatories in particular who 3 might remain european signatories you cave friends and now it runs exactly the opposite then 1st thing is if it works but to be on of the and i really hate to say you think the deal is small estate and. Workers kind of as always we appreciate you coming in to giving us your insights thank you thank you. All right coming up later on the day we will meet a holocaust survivor sent out of nazi germany by his parents as a child he returns to berlin with a warning about our present. That was the beginning of our trip to. Some it was traumatic some of the. Younger ones being way from home was difficult they would look. At this to talk about hitler was just as mad as the 5 and it did happen and im afraid its could happen either i hope not. Germanys Domestic Intelligence agency which is known as the federal office for the protection of the constitution the b. F. D. For short it has a long list of groups that it watches groups that it considers to be extremists and threats to democracy the b. F. These power reaches all the way in to parliament the anti Immigration Party be alternative for germany the a. F. D. Is now the Largest Opposition Party in parliament the party itself is not under surveillance but several of its groups such as the youth wing they are being monitored in the summer of 2015 more than 1000000 migrants mostly from war torn syria came here to germany now their arrival gave rise to violent demonstrations led by. Thats a group against the islamification of europe to get it is on that list of organizations being watched and here in germany even the monitors can be monitored last year the head of the office to protect the constitution hons georg mohsen he was forced to resign after publicly questioning claims about the seriousness of right wing violence in the country and there are renewed worries that the far right is growing in size and influence here in germany a regional conservative politician known for his pro migrant stance valter luka was shot dead at his home last month one man has confessed but investigators are not convinced that he acted alone. Well now germanys Domestic Intelligence agency says that it is stepping up observation of another group the i didnt a terry in movement which has targeted immigrants and refugees especially muslims the agency says that the group which is believed to have about 600 members here in germany is now officially classified as quote an extreme right movement. Are lets bring in the Political Correspondent simon young simon if you have covered the far right extremist movements here in this country for years lets talk about the german identity here ians who are they what do they stand for here the i did it terry and they see themselves as a sort of path Youth Movement and the the sort of young modern face of far right thinking so were not talking about the old school you know neo nazis with skinheads in heavy boots marching in the streets these are people with a sort of theoretical idea behind what theyre saying and they havent tended to get involved in in violence what they have done is quite a lot of rather successful media stunts and for instance in 2016 they combed on top of the Brandenburg Gate here in berlin and sit around rolled some some banners and that obviously got some attention those are the pictures they had in 27 saying they even had a shave sailing in the mediterranean saying that it was picking up migrants trying to return them to the countries where they come from sort of protesting against people smuggling is they said so they talk about returning migrants to their home countries about to defending europe as they put it against multiculturalism which they describe as a betrayal and so even though theyre not a huge group any about 600 according to the thorax hes been investigating them they yet they have been able to create some. Lines i mean there arent that many of them 600 and theyve been around for about a decade so why are they now coming under scrutiny you know theyve been operating in germany officially since 2012 in the office for the protection of the constitution has been they say its actually the Domestic Security Services been looking into them for the last 2 or 3 years and of course its necessary to observe their activities see what theyre saying see who this speaking to whos listening to them to understand how dangerous they could be and indeed collect evidence that would stand up in court because its very likely that there will be a protest against this against this move by the intelligence or thoughts is so theyve theyve now come out and said the what these people want is not compatible with germanys constitution and they essentially involves not treating people with respect and dignity as required under the constitution and what does it mean when the Domestic Intelligence service in germany says you are being surveyed and youre under observation what happens well i mean up to now theyve been under observation but they could obviously now be subject to more intense surveillance measures and that would even include a telephone or competes surveillance that would probably require the agreement of a judge or a court in some form but nonetheless these things could be done and indeed if it continues if the problems continue then ultimately this group could face a ban down the track or indeed the measures could be taken away again if they decide to sort of cool the boots and not be so offensive in public where you know weve reported on so many groups theres the piggy movement there are Political Parties the alternative for germany theres the n. P. T. There are lots of groups that were i guess you would sort of classify as being far right so how would the i dinna terry and how do they fit in to this spectrum if you will well i think theyre part of the. Seen but theyve been clever enough to keep it on his legs so there are no direct links between the event terry and xp are instance and the a f d party the far right Political Party we have here in palm and now indeed the a. F. D. Of said if you are a member of the advanced theory that you can join the f. T. There have been several cases where its been obvious that there are sympathies you do get it into terry and turning up to a if the rallies and you know supporting people on a personal basis so there are links informal links if you like but these guys are very clever too and careful so make sure that they they cant be attacked they dont want to get on the wrong side of the law well now theyre going to have more difficulty in staying on the right side of the and they do have their own murder so its easy to spot as well so im young as always thank you. Well this is the invitation sent by the white house for todays social media summit the recipients we understand are representatives ranging from conservatives to the world of tribal politics to the far right. Of those who did not receive invitations or just as notable the giant such as facebook and twitter they were not asked to attend shaw says the summit will highlight the power of social media over Mainstream Media which as we know he labels as fake news ironically trump used several tweets today to make his point and he tweeted that the biggest subject at the summit will be the tremendous dishonesty bias discrimination and suppression practiced by Certain Companies we will not let them get away with it much longer he tweeted and then he followed up with one of the mantras of his presidency the fake news is not as important or as powerful as social media. Well my next guest tonight i understand was not invited to the White House Social Media summit he was invited to join me tonight and were delighted that he accepted im happy to welcome angelo karas own president of media matters hes in washington d. C. Tonight angela its good to have you on the show thank you so much do you agree with me that its part of the message that the white house wants to send with this summit that there are groups and and people on social media who are accepted and get invitations and there are groups who get left out. Of course and and i also think that you know trump was very clear to what the what he was trying to get out of this which was to rally his troops across the full spectrum of the right you know the more establishment servant is all the way to the worst extremists and you know part of this is to sort of work the refs to put up enough pressure with these platforms to prevent them from putting in place countermeasures protections against this information and extremism and it worked well in 2016 they did this in 2016 and were actually able to get facebook to change walls that allowed for them to engage in suppressive advertisements so there really is an intentional strategy here and theyre being pretty transparent about it and we could say that decision media summit is really just another form of a political rally for his base this taking place in the white house would you agree. I agree and i think thats exactly right and if you want package it what that base is you know i dont think its a problem to pull together influencers on social media or online you know president obama did this when he got into office he you know did a meeting with the most you know progressive prominent progressive bloggers at that time and and it was good it was a way to sort of interact with a new form of media and i dont think theres anything objectionable on face with president engaging with part of the information landscape however when you want package whos there i mean some of the people that were invited and it was no accident you know one guy that this this ali akbar has previously done podcast live interviews with individuals that were waving nazi flags that were saying it of hillarys a good man as a part of his programming i mean he is somebody with intense ties to the far right and you know your last segment really ties in here because one of the things that a lot of the participants there do is they try to do a really good job of not you know avoiding having a really icky official relationship with an extremist or a racist Organization Even though as i just pointed out they promote and engage very routinely with some of the most extreme parts of that segment and what youre saying and what i mean thats really important and its a its a story do you think though that the Mainstream Media particularly in the United States will they report exactly what you just talked about my impression is that its going to get short shrift what do you think. I agree and i think its because you know the the media reacts in especially in the states theyre not going to go as deep as they should go you know theyll maybe throw an offhanded quick comment about you know trump of bringing together all these far right figures but theyre not going to go deep as to who is there and why not why not going to look at why not i think a large part of it is you know one of the things that the right wing has done really effectively in the states for the past 30 years with the news media is that they have made theyve made cries of liberal bias about absolutely everything and part of the reason why we have such a difficulty around Climate Change or some of these major topics is that in order to prevent themselves from being attacked as liberal. Media news media tends to you know both sides it will give everybody equal voice is they tend to have a tendency not to characterize extremist as extremists unless unless its extremely clear cut less you have a giant im a member of the k. K. K. Badge theyre very reluctant to refer to you that way and so that thats the hesitancy you know theyve basically been the refs have been worked in the news media and now i think everyone should be concerned because they want to work the refs on the social media platforms as well yeah thats a good point you make in social media. Its part of the problem when we talk about the held society has become so fractured and fragmented but. The bigger problem it appears looking at the us from outside is that the news diet that people consume is seems to be rather unhealthy that people only get one kind of news and thats it the not getting to any balance or not getting good sources i mean what could fix that in your opinion its so true i mean 40 percent of americans use their social media feed as their primary source or a primary or major source of news and information when you so almost one out of every 2 and then when you one package that to your point the majority of americans that. You get news outside of local news on tend to consume it from an ideological source so a place that they are already agree with the partisan sources as opposed to you know sort of a neutral balancing so on one hand theres this larger problem of what the sources are available and what they say in terms of how to fix this it actually does start a lot with the way that the algorithms of these platforms work i mean theres a massive shift in the economics of the News Business unfortunately in the states we dont have a very robust public media that can provide a key a key count of a key you know centering effect in the conversation which is critical elsewhere and is helpful elsewhere so as a result of that what you have to think about is what what are the algorithms doing and one of the things they do right now is awarding gaijin so if youre a news outlet you try to chase the clicks because thats how you keep the lights on and thats the challenge here it starts with the rules of the game let me ask you before we run out of time weve got about 45 seconds but we know that there was a court ruling this week in the United States which basically told the u. S. President you cant block people on twitter because youre using out twitter to announce Public Policy so its kind of like going to the Public Square you can shut that off i noticed on your twitter feed as of july 9th you were still blocked by the president and you asked to man i do the honorable i did the block you know and i think of all the people on the block list im probably somebody who will fight to the death before jambox me hes tried to sue me he complains about me he absolutely hates me and in part because i you know i dont just lob baseless criticisms i take action that actually hold him accountable have in the past and will continue to do that and i see through his efforts to to work the rest of these platforms in cheat and thats a big part of it so now he hasnt kept ok well let us know if if he does that well worth the story as well angela carries on with media matters joining us tonight from washington and so we appreciate your time and your insights thank you. Thank so much for. A remarkable story of survival now their parents sent them away during germanys nazi period in the hope of saving their lives now a group of kindertransport survivors and their relatives well theyve made a remember its trip to berlin 4 of them were among the 10000 jewish children who were sent to the u. K. In the run up to the 2nd world war most of them never sold their parents again and often they were the only members of their families to survive the holocaust. Brady met with the 94 year old kurt marx he was visiting berlin from the u. K. Here is his story who should i hate the people who who did it in that i have and it will be older than i am and. So much longer. I go to school. And smoke was coming out of the school. And there was a commotion the teacher was outside the school and he said you go home today is the school 13 year old boy who doesnt have to go to school has a day off i didnt mind. I got home as quickly as took me 25 minutes i suppose of a bicycle to get home and they hadnt told me this the night before a friend had phoned is this dont stay at home tonight theres going to be trouble tonight they knew what was going to happen it was all planned it wasnt spontaneous it was pretty all arranged. And fortunately my father had not been at home so he wasnt i didnt pick him up or call him so that was. Beginning of the realisation that its impossible but clear by the screen then made a decision it was to move the school to english that was they had they had mastered the director of school so he started this and im still a bit i think about it that in 2 months he organized the 1st group to go to england and he managed it in age weeks is quite incredible i mean work of all together there were 20 boys we all do it so that we werent in the same class of school so it wasnt there was no fear. For some it was traumatic some of the it was one of the younger ones because of being way from home was difficult they were not with their parents. That was the beginning of our trip to england and i was expecting. Sooner or later to go to america with my parents. Invent. Time went on i was in the last communication had from them was in 1942 my father wrote on the 19th. Term with if they were leaving. And only in all we knew they were going to the east you know did. We know now it was that they went to extermination camp. But this i didnt find out that 30 years ago. And you live with it nothing you can do about. It but at the same time you see whats happening whats happening here whats happening in the whole of europe and all these various countries where the right wing is coming up again i remember that i do remember when my parents in those with the adults used to talk about hitler just as mad cant last for 5 years you know but it lasted and he created. You know whats what happened at the end result was it it did happen and im afraid its could happen i dont know i hope not. For days almost on the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either due to the news follow me and broadcast t. V. Dont forget to use our hash tag today and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see you then everybody. Entering the conflict zone with Jim Sebastian weeks of mass protests in hong kong show no sign of coming to an end my guest this week from the chong a member of the hong kong governments calvinists studio 30 years now except the buicks traditional which provoked the crisis should be scrapped now im still close to russias very uncertain for the rest of conflict so. Negative all the details. Warm. Or. Cool down the future from your book you are now going on not keep warm you can learn from your local machine a few exposing and justice global news that matters w. Me from times. To laugh. 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