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Keeping under review the kind of security that we need to keep british shipping said. Also coming up the White House Social Media summit what do the people attending have in common well a love for donald trump and no love for the Mainstream Media. And theres these people who dont like me and probably dont like you im going to talk directly to my followers about what i know about the White House Social Media fund so morrow. On to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and around the world well we begin the day with another clash on the seas between britain and iran tehran is denying accusations that its boat attempted to intercept a British Oil Tanker near the strait of hormuz the royal navy says that one of its frigates was forced to intervene now it comes a week after the u. K. Seized in a radian tanker loaded with oil allegedly headed for syria a violation of e. U. Sanctions against damascus and as tensions rise with tehran over tankers london is trying to save the Iran Nuclear Deal and almost impossible situation tonight we ask how much longer can london afford to play both sides its. The strait of hormuz one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes through which a 3rd of the worlds seaborne oil passes irans navy is an active presence here. The narrowest point in the strait is only 40 kilometers wide the British Ministry of defense said the incident took place near the island of abu mussab it says this frigate turned away iranian speedboats stuffer threatening the pritish old tanker the u. K. Foreign minister has responded by calling for calm obviously very concerning to violence but also very proud of the royal navy and the role that they played in keeping British Assets british shipping safe well continue to monitor the situation very very carefully. The fear is that this latest incident will escalation becomes days after british authorities seized an iranian tanker off gibraltar claiming it was violating sanctions by delivering oil to syria earlier this week iran also started enriching uranium beyond the limits set down the 2050 nuclear deal it signed with International Powers iran says the confrontation never happened its foreign minister mohammed serif has called the british accusations worthless irans Farce News Agency quote sorry for saying they are seeking to cover up their weaknesses with such claims as tensions in the gulf summer diplomats are scrambling to keep the nuclear deal from on ruffling completely. I join me now here at the big table as marcus com hes from the german is to toot for international and security failures its good to see you again marcos lets talk to you weve been observing growing tensions here in the gulf for weeks now it is the situation between iran and iran were iran in the u. K. Is that whats escalating or is it iran in the west that were seeing escalate now i would see the west and iran its a major player its escalating already and weve seen a continuous escalation for the last couple of weeks its a strategy of as a magic wall for the suit of iranians would be on the threshold of the not ability they denied to be involved in another time if. To apply the bombs 2 weeks ago so all they intend to spread instability and insecurity here and try to target u. S. Interests or western interests and. When you look at the u. K. It is it seems to be stuck in a very uncomfortable position you know its got the tensions right now over these tankers with iran at the same time its a member of one of the signatories to the nuclear deal with iran is trying to save that deal with iran how much longer do you think london can afford to play both sides i dont think that it can afford and along to play both sides and its mean we have seen iran sending signals to the west and maybe the in the nothing from the United Kingdom to run around and trying to put pressure on the remaining signatories in particular to 3 of my remaining european signatories from u. K. Friends and now it runs exactly the opposite been interesting thing is if it works but to be honest the and i really hate to say hed think the deal is mall is dead. More has come as always we appreciate you coming in to giving us your insights thank you thank you. All right coming up later on the day we will meet a holocaust survivor sent out of nazi germany by his parents as a child he returns to berlin with a warning about our present. That was the beginning of our trip to. Some it was from i think some of the. Younger ones being way from home was difficult they would go to the patterns at this to talk about hitler was this these mad the 5 and it did happen and im afraid its could happen i think i hope not. Germanys Domestic Intelligence agency which is known as the federal office for the protection of the constitution the v. For short it has a long list of groups that it watches groups that it considers to be extremists and threats to democracy the b. F. These power reaches all the way in to parliament the anti Immigration Party the alternative for germany the a. F. D. Is now the Largest Opposition Party in parliament the party itself is not under surveillance but several of its groups such as the youth wing they are being monitored in the summer of 2015 more than 1000000 migrants mostly from war torn syria came here to germany now their arrival gave rise to violent demonstrations led by. Thats a group against the islamification of europe to get it is on that list of organizations being watched and here in germany even the monitors can be monitored last year the head of the office to protect the constitution Hans Georg Mohsen he was forced to resign after publicly questioning claims about the seriousness of right wing violence in the country and there are renewed worries that the far right is growing in size and influence here in germany a regional conservative politician known for his pro migrant stance valter luka was shot dead at his home last month one man has confessed but investigators are not convinced that he acted alone. Well now germanys Domestic Intelligence agency says that it is stepping up observation of another group the i didnt a terry in movement which has targeted immigrants and refugees especially muslims the agency says that the group which is believed to have about 600 members here in germany is now officially classified as quote an extreme right movement. Are lets bring in w. s Political Correspondent simon young simon if you have covered the far right extremist movements here in this country for years lets talk about the german i did to terri and who are they what do they stand for the idea of terri and they see themselves as a sort of path Youth Movement and the sort of young malden face of far right thinking so were not talking about the old school you know neo nazis with skinheads in heavy boots marching in the streets these are people with a sort of theoretical idea behind what they saying and they havent tended to get involved in in violence what they have done is that quite a lot of rather successful media stunts for instance in 2016 they combed on top of the Brandenburg Gate here in berlin and sort of around rolled some some banners and that obviously got some attention those are the pictures there in 2017 they even had a shave sailing in the mediterranean saying that it was picking up migrants trying to return them to the countries where theyd come from sort of protesting against people smuggling is they said so they talk about returning migrants to their home countries about to defending europe as they put it against multiculturalism which they describe as a betrayal and so even though theyre not a huge group only about 600 according to the authorities have been investigating them they have been able to create some. I mean there arent that many of them 600 and theyve been around for about a decade so why are they now coming under scrutiny you know theyve been operating in germany officially since 2012 in the office for the protection of the constitution has been they say as i say the Domestic Security Service has been looking into them for the last 2 to 3 years and of course its necessary to observe their activities see what theyre saying see who this speaking to whos listening to them to understand how dangerous they could be and indeed collect evidence that would stand up in court because its very likely that there will be a protest against this against this move by the intelligence or thoughts is so theyve theyve now come out and said that the what these people want is not compatible with germanys constitution and they essentially involves not treating people with respect and dignity as required under the constitution and what does it mean when the Domestic Intelligence service in germany says you are being surveyed and youre under observation what happens well i mean up to now theyve been under observation but they could obviously now be subject to more intense surveillance measures and that would even include a telephone or competes surveillance that would probably require the agreement of a judge or a court in some form but nonetheless these things could be done and indeed if it continues if the problems continue then ultimately this group could face a ban down the track or indeed the measures could be taken away again if they decide to sort of cool the boots and not be so offensive in public you know weve reported on so many groups theres the piece of movement there are Political Parties the alternative for germany theres the m. P. The there are lots of groups that were i guess you would sort classify as being far right so how would the i dinna terry and how do they fit in to this spectrum if you will well i think theyre part of the. Seen but theyve been clever enough to keep it on his legs so there are no direct links between the event terry and for instance and the a. F. Tea party the far right Political Party we have here in palm and now indeed the f. D. A. Have said if youre a member of the against that you cant join the f. T. But there have been several cases where its been obvious that there are sympathies you do get it into terri and turning up to a if the rallies and you know supporting people on a personal basis so theyre all links informal links if you like but these guys are very clever and careful to make sure that they they cant be attacked they dont want to get on the wrong side of the law well now theyre going to have more difficulty in staying on the right side and they do have their own murder so its easy to spot as well so im young as always thank you. Well this is the invitation sent by the white house for todays social media summit the recipients we understand are representatives ranging from conservatives to the world of tribal politics to the far right. Of those who did not receive invitations or just as notable the giant such as facebook and twitter they were not asked to attend trump says the summit will highlight the power of social media over Mainstream Media which as we know he labels as fake news ironically trump used several tweets today to make his point he tweeted that the biggest subject at the summit will be the tremendous dishonesty bias discrimination and suppression practiced by Certain Companies we will not let them get away with it much longer he tweeted and then he followed up with one of the mantras of his presidency the fake news is not as important or as powerful as social media or my next guest tonight so i understand was not invited to the White House Social Media summit he was invited to join me tonight and were delighted that he accepted im happy to welcome angelo carers own president of media matters hes in washington d. C. Tonight enjoy its good to have you on the show thank you so much do you agree with me that its part of the message that the white house wants to send with this summit that there are groups and and people on social media who are accepted and get invitations and there are groups who get left out. Of course and and i also think that you know trump was very clear to what the what he was trying to get out of this which was to rally his troops across the full spectrum of the right you know the more Establishment Survey gives all the way to the worst extremists and you know their part of this is to sort of work the refs to put up enough pressure with these platforms to prevent them from putting in place countermeasures protections against this information and extremism and it worked well in 2016 they did this in 2016 and were actually able to get facebook to change walls that allowed for them to engage in suppressive advertisements so there really is an intentional strategy here and theyre being pretty transparent about it and we could say that the social media summit is really just another form of a political rally for his base this taking place in the white house would you agree. I agree and i think thats exactly right and if you want package it what that base is you know i dont think its a problem to pull together influencers on social media or online you know president obama did this when he got into office he you know did a meeting with the most you know progressive prominent progressive bloggers at that time and and it was good it was a way to sort of interact with a new form of media and i dont think theres anything objectionable on face with president engaging with part of the information landscape however when you on package whos there i mean some of the people that were invited and it was no accident you know one guy this is ali akbar has previously done podcast live interviews with individuals that were waving nazi flavs that were saying 8 of hillarys a good man as a part of his programming i mean he is somebody with intense ties to the far right and you know your last segment really ties in here because one of the things that a lot of the participants there do is they try to do a really good job of not you know avoiding having a really official relationship with that extremist or a racist Organization Even though as i just pointed out they promote and engage very routinely with some of them you know most extreme parts of that segment but what youre saying and what i mean thats really important and its a its a story do you think though that the Mainstream Media particularly in the United States will they report exactly what you just talked about my impression is that it is going to get short shrift what do you think. I agree and i think its because you know the the media reacts in especially in the states theyre not going to go as deep as they should go you know theyll maybe throw an offhanded quick comment about you know trump of bringing together all these far right figure that theyre not going to go deep as to who is there and why not why not going to look at why not i think a large part of it is you know one of the things that the right wing has done really effectively in the states for the past 30 years with the news media is that they have made theyve made cries of liberal bias about absolutely everything and part of the reason why we have such a difficulty around Climate Change or some of these major topics is that in order to prevent themselves from being attacked as liberal. Media news media tends to you know both sides it will give everybody voices they tend have a tendency not to characterize extremist as extremists and unless its extremely clear cut less you have a giant im a member of the k. K. K. Badge theyre very reluctant to refer to you that way and so that thats the hesitancy you know theyve basically been the refs have been worked in the news media and now i think everyone should be concerned because they want to work the refs on the social media platforms as well yeah yeah thats a good point you make in social media. Its part of the problem when we talk about the held society has become so fractured and fragmented but. The bigger problem it appears looking at the us from outside is that the news diet that people consume is seems to be rather unhealthy that people only get one kind of news and thats it theyre not getting any balance or not getting good sources i mean what could fix that in your opinion its so true i mean 40 percent of americans use their social media feed as their primary source or a primary or major source of news and information when you so almost one out of every 2 and then when you one package that to your point the majority of americans that. You get news outside of local news on tend to consumers from an ideological source so of place that they are already agree with the partisan sources as opposed to you know sort of a neutral balancing so on one hand theres this larger problem of what the sources are available and what they say in terms of how to fix this that actually does start a lot with the way that the algorithms of these platforms work i mean theres a massive shift in the economics of the News Business unfortunately in the states we dont have a very robust public media that can provide a key of a key count of a key you know centering effect in the conversation which is critical elsewhere and is helpful elsewhere and so as a result of that what you have to think about is what what are the algorithms doing and one of the things they do right now is awarding gaijin so if youre a news outlet you try to chase the clicks because thats how you keep the lights on and thats the challenge here it starts with the rules of the game let me ask you before we run out of time weve got about 45 seconds but we know that there was a court ruling this week in the United States which basically told the u. S. President you cant block people on twitter because youre using out twitter to announce Public Policy so its kind of like you know the Public Square you cant shut that off i noticed on your twitter feed as of july 9th you were you were still blocked by the president and you asked him. Did the block you know and i think of all the people on the block list im probably somebody who will fight to the death before jambox me hes tried to sue me complains about me he absolutely hates me and in part because i you know i dont just lob baseless criticisms i take action that actually hold them accountable have in the past and will continue to do that and i see through his efforts to to work the rest of these platforms in cheap and thats a big part of it so now he hasnt ever ok well let us know if if he does that well worth the story as well angela carries on with media matters joining us tonight from washington and so we appreciate your time and your insights thank you. Thank so much for. A remarkable story of survival now their parents sent them away during germanys nazi period in the hope of saving their lives now a group of kindertransport survivors and their relatives well theyve made a remember its trip to berlin 4 of them were among the 10000 jewish children who were sent to the u. K. In the run up to the 2nd world war most of them never sold their parents again and often they were the only members of their families to survive the holocaust. Brady met with a 94 year old kurt marx he was visiting berlin from the u. K. Here is his story. Who should i hate the people who who did it in that i have any more they were older than i am and. So much longer. I go to school. And smoke was coming out of the school. And there was a commotion the teacher was outside the school and he said you go home today is the school 13 year old boy who doesnt have to go to school has a day off i didnt mind. I got home as quickly as took me 25 minutes i suppose of a bicycle to get home and they hadnt told me this the night before a friend had phoned is this dont stay at home tonight theres going to be trouble tonight they knew what was going to happen it was all planned it wasnt spontaneous it was pretty all arranged and fortunately my father had not been in a time so he wasnt i didnt pick him up or call them so that was. Beginning of the realisation that its impossible but its clear by the scheme then made a decision it was to move the school to english that was the head to head most of the director of the school so he started this and im still when i think about it that in 2 months he organized the 1st group to go to england and he managed it in age weeks is quite incredible i mean weve all together there were 20 boys were all the each other we werent in the same cause of school so it wasnt. There was no fear. For some it was traumatic some of the it were not for younger ones because they were being way from home was difficult they were not with their parents. And it was the beginning of our trip to england and i was expecting soon or later to go to america with my parents. And then. Time went on i was in the last communication had from them was in 1942 my father wrote on the 19th. To me that they were leaving. And on the all we knew they were going to the east and no detail. We know now was that they went to extermination camp. But this i didnt find out absolutely years ago. And you live with it nothing you can do about. But at the same time you see whats happening you think whats happening here whats happening in the whole of europe and all these various countries where the right wing is coming up again i remember that i do remember when my parents in those when the adults used to talk about hitler was just mad cant last for 5 minutes you know but it lasted and he created. You know whats what happens with the end result was it did happen and im afraid its could happen i dont know i hope not. The day is almost done the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either at the news follow me and t. V. Dont forget to use our hash tag today and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see you then everybody. Should be. More intrigued by International Talk show for journalists discuss the topic of the week 50 years at a critical juncture i said scarlett prepares to vote on a new commission with europe facing pressing challenges leadership is more important than ever will it emerge from a process with democratic deficits that theres hardly conflict free to join us. Next d. W. Was chicago crime where. Theres been an explosion of violence in americas 3rd largest city. In some parts of town the right are fighting over territory and innocent bystanders are caught in the crossfire. 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