A racist past hope for a nonracist future and charged with a justifiable suspension that the president will simply repeat itself again and again and again im print off in berlin this is the day. George warren well not expendable this is why were here to. Put would of thought. That he is a name which now being mentioned in south africa can it. Be further south europe because of the change that all of this country not only the United States the change the world George Clooney takes to work. And theyre. Trying to give you the stomach you. Know just dont speak. Also coming up tonight his anger and his hope have come to life many times on the big screen the activists in film director spike lee tells d. W. News why his hope is now attached to one day in november where you see hope for the future hope i see it in millions of american history. Saying enough is enough i see hope and. Hopeful. On november 4th that they had the president elect. But to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day as one man is laid to rest leaving behind a world that is in unrest today george floyd was buried in his hometown of Houston Texas it has been 16 days since this africanamerican man was pinned down to the ground by a Police Officer and killed his death captured on video and seen around the globe ignited protests against racism and Police Brutality at 1st in the u. S. And now here in europe those protests continue uninterrupted and unabated today George Floyds coffin was lowered into the ground to rest forever beside the place where his mother was buried and just before his life ended mr floyd was heard calling out for his deceased mother a call for his mom a call that every man and woman has made a call immediately understood by every human being it was that call for humanity that was touched upon today at the funeral of george florey. That we thank you for the liberation we thank you but i live for joy its oh i dont got that at a moment when he caught up very. Badly it let me let go im in a senate. Let me. Let. Me end up on this where ill pick up the right. Thing. Well the reach of george. Will undoubtedly be far in why consider the black lives matter in the United States that have resonated around the world the protests they have people talking and thinking here in germany it has triggered many to reexamine their own attitudes towards racism later this month for the 1st time in germany a nationwide survey will ask black people about the discrimination they face in their every day law. Thats what i would backstrom is one of about a 1000000 black people in germany but nobody knows that for sure as there are no official figures is she grew up in leipzig is the daughter of Sudanese Exchange students off for the fall of the old life in east germany in the ninetys was difficult for black people many of them felt left alone. When a right to in most circles around us affair and theres a policeman standing around who just lets it happen as 15 people shout the and what. Memories like this often make you doubt whether you really welcome in this country of life. And want thats why the organize ations each one teach one and citizens of europe are conducting a survey the affray census the 1st one on black peoples lives in germany da new general hopes it will fill the gaps neither was unfortunately theres been far too Little Research in recent decades on the situation of black people and on black racism in germany thats what explains why politicians keep asking as well whats the problem with. That i find it difficult to talk about black people and thats why weve decided to take matters into our own hands and walk in his endurance hopeful shes from front somewhat says the teacher and then shes upset at the lack of sensitivity even amongst. Well meaning white people. My class in my prepared. Kids were super super motivated they were doing well and then they got states rights the principal of the school. To the whole assembly and state i just love like new zealand. And your large group interesting but the real problem and the real question is like how can we say you know no members. Recording and no one talking about it the average census wants to facilitate precisely this discussion and to better capture every day racism in German Society but it also has another effect to see and poland ultimately its also very empowering for those for black and i think thats great. Theres never been a survey like the afro census before germany is reluctant to collect statistics on citizens according to ethnic criteria. Theres always a reluctance to ask communities about their situation about whether they are discriminated against people are afraid that this kind of research will create these communities that we are we are part of the society we wont be denied the right to exist and we can all speak about black people African People calmly without being afraid of and pushing. Its hoped it could be a step towards change for. Change so my 1st guest tonight says she looks at the entire world with a mixture of optimism and pessimism when it comes to ending racism im happy to welcome 290000 die to me to the show mrs jimmy is a professor of law at u. C. L. A. She is the United Nations special rocketeer on racism Racial Discrimination zina phobia and related intolerance and she joins me tonight from los angeles tonight its good to have you on the program you know weve seen a lot in the last 2 weeks when when you consider the protests that weve seen in the u. S. And here in europe you also have to include the scenes of Peaceful Protesters who were cleared out by armed police near the white house last week i mean there have been scenes of looting and violence as well where does all of this leave you as you look towards the future for our plan. Thanks so much for having me brant and i think its very important that youre covering this really important topic i think the thing that stands out the most to me right now is that were at an important turning point nationally in the United States but even globally in terms of how we talk about and even understand systemic racism as a general matter and then specifically in encounters with Law Enforcement so what youre seeing is a shift in the debate away from thinking that the issue is a few bad apples to really examining policing structure immunity against Police Expanded by jets that mean that police in the u. S. Are involved in providing Mental Health and social services and the debate that were seeing playing out in what the protesters are pushing for is a reform of the entire system and its been a very long journey to get here even just having worked on issues in los angeles you see a very real shift in the local and in the National Conversation around how we understand systemic racism and how we understand Police Brutality in that context and i think this applies outside of the u. S. As well so some of your earlier coverage mentioned the protests that were seeing in europe and other parts of the world and i would say that these protests also are about solidarity on the one hand but marking shifts and how race is understood and talked about and how Racial Discrimination is understood and talked about in the different parts of the world and in germany in the u. K. And he knelt and just to name a few examples so on my end i think the most powerful thing to focus on right now and the most hopeful thing is a very genuine shift in how we understand the nature of the problem and you know this is happening at the same time that the entire world finds itself in the coronavirus pandemic and just this past weekend the number of new infections im hit a record high talk to me about how the pandemic and the fight against racism how are they linked. You know theyre very closely intertwined and i think as a number of points of intersection i think one is that the pandemic has amplified just how bad preexisting structures of Racial Discrimination and inequality had become in many parts of the world including the United States which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world and studies are showing us that black people in the United States racial ethnic minorities in different parts of the world are hardest hit by this pandemic so theyre facing the threat of the disease but then they are also facing the existential threat of racism which means that they are move on to to dying from the disease so i think theyre very closely intertwined you see how racism is an existential threat it can affect whether you live or die you see that in the context of the pandemic and then in the u. S. You also see it in the context of you know Police Brutality that doesnt poor as just because you have a pandemic in effect and so i think there is a lot of intertwining happening here in the pandemic opens up the possibility of really engaging with things that people have been complaining about through really long time you and i were talking about both of these things but i think if you were to look at the the Media Coverage in the last 2 weeks or think you would agree with me that coverage of the pandemic has really dropped off people are now surprised that were seeing these high numbers of new infections what responsibility do you think the media have to ensure that these 2 stories of the century are being reported. I think the media has massive responsibility that the media really shapes how we understand so much in this world including racism and Racial Discrimination and i think part of the reason why the Trans National solidarity has been as powerful as because need has been because Media Coverage has really shown attention on whats happening in the u. S. And in other parts of the law and i think the challenge here is to ensure that the media wields that responsibility to wield the power that it has in ways that continue to reinforce the call for equality and that i think requires maintaining attention on issues to do with racism whether its in the context of the pandemic or and in the context of policing and to ensure that that coverage is is is responsible and that it that it really reflects the circumstances of the people who are most marginalized one thing that ive been wondering is whether the issue of Racial Injustice in general is going to fall off the front page newspapers in the next 2 weeks in the way that the news cycles change and i think that would be a real disservice to the movements if the media didnt remain engaged on an issue thats going to take a really long time to solve its a very good point and its a justifiable worry as well racism and xenophobia they have a lot to do with attitudes and with legislation that deals with migraines and immigrants and refugees its been a big story here and in europe why if you take a listen to what italys foreign minister said this week about the pandemic migration and asylum laws in europe take a listen if their mother limits your claim of immigration is another one where we are working side by side with greece its management is of fundamental importance for us and italy shares with grace an extremely delicate geographical position given that it is a border from the e. U. To the outside for its coming from africa superheated a laugh limits us and. The pandemic and Public Health crisis in europe has had a strong impact on the reform of the european asylum system to laying the commissions publication of the new Patent Office and slowing down the negotiation process migration flows continue to represent a challenge for 1st entry Member States you know you hear there the pandemic has had an impact there has been no reform to speak of i know that you have proposed that we really can see if International Migration you write im going to quote here the root of International Law is dysfunctional relationship with International Mobility is this whole steadfast protection of the right of a state to exclude noncitizens so youre talking about changing International Law and migration when you say it should be changed or to address the colonialism or to address what colonialism calls talk to me about that what would that look like. So i think the most important thing is fundamentally shifting the way that we understand borders and the work that would as do and i think the clip that you played is a useful place to start to do that and so in that clip it sounds as though the one of the outcomes is framing african migration to europe as per se a threat which i think is a dangerous and false way of understanding the borders that exists between europe and the african continent and i think you see that in the context of the cove in 1000 pandemic where in actual fact europe was an epi center long before africa was in a way that makes it i think disingenuous to speak about the pandemic and then migration from africa as though there is a kind of need a line of thread between those things for too long i think racist and xenophobic or ethno nationalist ways of understanding what borders can be have been allowed to really dictate how we understand the governance and again in the pandemic context weve seen that thats been costly so racial profiling where people who look like they might be coming from china being stopped at borders in ways that people who are coming from europe arent being stopped at you know borders has resulted in all kinds of Public Health concerns and so to go back to the question that youre asking me i think we need a historic sized and a justice oriented perspective when we think about how borders work and we should be understanding how borders can be faithful to the interconnection that exists between europe and africa so weve seen in the last few weeks european governments concerned about migrant labor in order to serve the Agricultural Industry which is absolutely vital to europe and some of that labor is coming from the african continent and so rather than insisting that migration is fundamentally a threat i think local leaders and National Leaders should really be more honest about how much reliance there is across borders how much and justice on the part. It has taken place across full it is and how. The goal should be ensured that if im lucky and discrimination dont have to rise the way we make decisions about how people move ok unfortunately were out of time fascinating talking with you die and sue me professor of law at u. C. L. A. And the un special on racism Racial Discrimination xenophobia and related in silence i hope you come back and talk with us again thank you. For the shocking images of george fords death came as no surprise to film director spike lee his movies including black klansman malcolm x. And do the right thing focus on Police Brutality and the plight of africanamericans in the u. S. His latest work is a short film drawing a connection between george fords death and what he sees as institutionalized violence and racism among American Police forces but spike lee remains hopeful the oscar winning director tells my colleague scott ross for why he thinks real change is now within reach like never before spike lees response to the death of george floyd was to make this film editing footage of floyds killing with the death of her garner and 2014 and with scenes from his own 1989 film do the right thing do it right it was based on the real love chokehold murder. Might was and it had to be anything about. The simple and brutal message has this is happened before if nothing changes this will happen again. But lee does see a difference this time in the broad group of americans whose response to George Floyds death was to take to the streets not just black and brown. White americans or my white sister and brother take in the streets and joyous and saying this has to stop. And theres a National Crowd or these Police Departments across america weve got to do some with them you know they got out they got to be reform change fast app and how elisa is done in the United States of America Black shii for decades spike lee has been making movies about u. S. Racism and the forgotten history of africanamericans amid the shoot him up action of his new film the 5 bloods about black vietnam thats least slips in social and political commentary. About the current resident of the white house leaders of mince words his nickname for President Donald Trump says it all ages oh its going to go down as the worst president in history of the United States in america. And this one and now this see his allies these generals and politicians are slowly starting to move away from him because they can read right into a wall and they dont want to go down in history attached to this guy being on the beat on a written down this is on the wrong side of history with a capital w. For the 1st time in decades one of americas loudest critics sees hope for real change hope i see it a 1000000 americans taking to the streets saying enough is enough i see hope in how you feel more hopeful on november