Of us in the free world im burnt off in berlin this is the day. This is the grand National Left what are you sure as a president who is on your list you know it was pretty hard to follow. Me it was this is not as loud as im a grandmother his family is not your family. Cant raise your president ial burn down your stores and kill people little dramas and you seem to be disappointed at how its not because you say it is complete really substantive. B. S. And im not going to give a let me have ended this segment were going to move on to the 2nd segment it was really the joke that experienced this earnest. Also coming up in bill ruse people continue to protest demanding the president resign demanding fair and free elections but the government doesnt want the world to know that foreign journalists theyre being forced to leave. Getting a new cretaceous for extending distant papers is no longer possible theres no outright refusal just the same excuse over and over again the commission in charge they say called get together because of covert. Well to our viewers watching on p. B. S. In the United States and to all of your around the world welcome we begin the day with the debate debacle we cannot begin to list all of the adjectives used today to describe tuesday nights u. S. President ial debate many of the words we cant say on television the child friendly headline it reads the worst debate in living memory the debate between u. S. President donald trump and former Vice President joe biden was a success for no one not the candidates and certainly not for democracy voters in the u. S. Today have been lamenting that the 90 minute televised debate revealed a little about where the candidates stand on the most important issues such as the pandemic the economy and Climate Change here in europe americas allies say the debate was a nasty spectacle and embarrassment for american democracy the official reaction in china is a mixture of communist shodan with we told you so in a moment well go through what was said and what wasnt said and discuss why it matters to the world but 1st here are the highlights from an event that was not one of americas finer moments the fact is that everything he said so far is simply a lie im not here to call out his lies Everybody Knows hes a liar but you know i just want a widget i want to make sure who i did last 1st and i am. I want to make sure i didnt can you let him finish there he dont know how to do that that meeting was an hour a day by me off like well as joe im you know join and it was the most unpopular i asked to vote i mean i got rid of id like i did will president be i wouldnt be a moderator of this to say and i would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer and i laid out again in july what we should be doing we should be providing all the protective gear post we should be providing the money the house has passed in order to be able to go out. And get people the help they need to keep their businesses open open schools that cost a lot of money you should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap and get in your golf course and go in the oval office and bring together the democrats republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives so you could never have done the job that we did you dont have it in new black you could have never done that you know i know how to do the job i know how to get the job where you dont do very well in swine flu or h one n one you were a disaster your own Church Stands out in a disaster t. V. 1000 people died not 200000 we have know their economic recession or you made a lot of let us know it just made a point by now. We can say thats the under thats this is the end of that ballot count where not only have a day or 2 to be continued as in more debates as we go on President TrumpVice President biden its been an interesting hour and a half i want to thank you both for participating while we want to dive into that debacle tonight to do that im joined here in the studio by julian fundal our strategy and Campaign Consultant who worked with the obama campaigns in 200820125 Jeremy Shapiro hes Research Director at the European Council on Foreign Relations he joins us tonight from london gentlemen to both of you good evening jeremy let me start with you in the u. S. Many are calling it the worst president ial debate in living memory or in u. S. History what a bell on this side of the atlantic what did you think. Yeah ive never seen anything as bad as that in any kind of debate and i think its a sort of symptom of the way that trump has essentially degraded the state of american democracy i think i sort of felt for biden he had no choice but to respond in kind and it its sort of demonstrates that by and that politicians are and in trying to respond to trump. If you dont come down to his level you cant respond but if you do your degrading democracy you know that thats a good point judy as youve been front and center at president ial debates before me can you explain what happened last night. Well i think it was a reflection of where the debate in the campaign overall stands right now i mean everyone is yelling and the whole political discourse in the United States is just yelling over one another theres no real debate and so its just people yelling at each other but theyre not actually connecting or you know listening and talking about the issues i dont think people are talking with each other talking past each other there are several key moments that we want to take a look at tonight the 1st is when Moderator Chris Wallace asked the president would he be willing to denounce White Supremacists and militias such as the Group Proud Boys would you take a listen what he said give me a name give me what you surprise us and like me that can do you proud son right proud of my boys stand back and stand by but ill tell you what ill tell you what somebody has got to do something about anti fair and the left because this is not a right. Is a levy i. Stand by com it was music to the ears of right wing did right wing group for boys you see right there joe bidens twitter feed captured some of the euphoria before it was deleted see right there. Standing by sir that was the reaction after they heard the president say stand by me julies what what would you have advised by or what should have been his response to me it goes back to charlottesville and you know what happened back then remember the press conference that trump gave later after those events took place and he was asked specifically about the proud boys and he said back then you know theyre fine people on both sides he was present at the opportunity to clearly did now its White Supremacy and he passed on it twice yesterday and so i think its just pretty clear where he stands but i do think that it goes back to the strategy of dollar show where he has a clear base plus strategy where he says i want to excite the base as much as i can because i know i cant reach those swing voters and right now there are still 12 percent of the american electorate which is undecided and so i think hes saying i cant reach those voters let me turn up the volume on my own base and expand my trump base the maga the make America Great again base and i think thats clearly a sign of what the strategy is for the Trump Campaign germy youve got a u. S. President who tells militias and right wing groups to stand by i mean this must be like manna falling from the skies for right wing movements here in europe. Yeah i mean i suppose i think at this point its its not even really fair to say that trump has a strategy on this its just sort of the only thing he knows how to do. And so i think that the right wing movements in europe are are a little bit less inspired by trump than they used to be because he seems to be flailing about so much im not really sure. You know julius its its fine to say that theres 12 percent undecided im not really convinced of that i think that a lot of. A lot of the a lot of those 12 percent have really decided theyre just arent telling the polls and i think that what that trump is trump is who he is and so none of his Political Consultants are telling him to give a fillip to the proud boys but hes doing it because its the only thing he knows how to do and in the moment hes very interested and exciting his base im not really sure that at this point that represents any kind of strategy that the european right wing glom onto something thats interesting lets talk about joe biden and what he was criticized most for last night and that was his response to the question would she as u. S. President stack the u. S. Supreme Court Justices to rebalance between liberal and conservative judges take a listen to what he said vote and let your senators know whats going on are you feeling that vote now and in fact sure you in fact let people know senator im not going to answer the question because if you ask. The radical left would you shouldnt mason who is on your list joe. Johns i think this is. Going to get all right jim let me ask you what is the lesson there for those of us outside the United States watching. Well i mean i think it reveals a sort of the lamb that the democrats have even if they should win the presidency which is how much are they going to be sort of take the lesson from the Trump Presidency and particularly from the last 2 supreme the Supreme Court fights over america garland and over the current one to whether theyre going to decide that they want to be norm shatters as well and if they get control on are they going to pack the Supreme Court which is constitutional but not one thing thats been done in in many many decades in fact hundreds of years in well over 100 years and so it would be it would be a real Nuclear Weapon in the political battles and it would sort of reduce the United States yet further into the partisan miasma that its in but i think quite a few democrats and certainly the Democratic Base feels that there are tea in that and theyre already fighting that battle theyre just losing it and so now they have to they want to do that i think its not surprising that joe biden is unwilling to commit to that because. Its a little bit its damaging before the election but he shouldnt be willing to dissuade his base and out at you so theres no way he should answer that question i think he should have answered the question i think he should have said very clearly i will not pack the court i mean what were talking about right here is packing the court adding justices to the Supreme Court turning d. C. Potentially in a state with electoral votes that is what theyre talking about and Chuck Schumer was asked about and he said you know everything is on the table and. And i think this goes back to the strategy of the chum campaign that i just mentioned where you know trump wants to say look there is a radical left element whether thats true or not is a different question but thats what hes talking about when hes trying to excite his own base saying look the democrats want to stack the court theyre. Want to take away your guns they want to pretty much roll back everything that we have fought for over decades and you know joe biden is not willing to commit if i would have been joe biden i would have said clearly look i am a traditional democrat i am not looking to he said i am the Democratic Party that is what he said but it did commit to and has a base well. That they say he needs to avoid he needs to avoid berating that base and i think that base. Because im part of it is very tired of. Not responding to the republicans and kind yeah i think the bad i do not see that take them a krauts lets stay home just because biden were to say i will not extend supreme Court Justices to 11 or 13 all right let me go on here before we run out of time but there does seem to be consensus that the debate fell deeply into the gutter when donald trump began attacking joe biden sons i want you to take a listen to that fiery and Emotional Exchange my son was in iraq he spent a year there he got he brought the bronze star he got a Conspicuous Service medal he was not a loser he was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes really and i resented talking like you know you took and im talking about my son beau biden your top i dont know i dont know bow i know what you did all grown hunter got thrown out of the military he was thrown out dishonorably discharged not true as it was even years and he didnt have a job until you became Vice President what you know out of that president he made a fortune in ukraine in china and miles that is simply an area not of the playgroups he my son works in general my son and he didnt have a giant son like a lot of people like a lot of people you know at home had a drug problem hes overtaken it hes hes hes fixed it hes worked on it and im proud of him. Why was that millionaire out he wasnt game. Biden could have attacked trumps family at that point but he did. I thought it was a strongest moment of joe biden in that entire debate you saw raw emotions and he was you know on the stand and the stand the bully upset about what trungpa just said i mean i think i could see a politician actually saying to Chris Wallace hold my coat and let me walk over there he didnt fortunately but i thought it was effective i thought we saw clear motions and i thought he connected with voters watching at home jimmy do you think it was that the moment when. Biden emerged as the winner of this debate yeah i guess i agree i think that. What he managed to do in that moment was both show emotion and show control and its always a difficult thing for a president ial candidate you want to show that you care deeply that youre emotionally in touch with these things that you feel things like other people feel things but also that your emotions dont get control of you and that you are able to sort of process them in a way which will be you know amenable to being a leader and i think biden showed that in that moment it was a key moment weve got about one minute left and one as both of you the commission on president ial debates has announced this evening that its going to be changing some things adding tools to maintain order for the next 2 debates jeremy you 1st with that fix this problem. I hadnt heard that im not exactly sure what what rules theyre going to change but my guess is that they will never be able to control trump and. Probably enough ive read this on twitter i think David Axelrod made the point they should add a mute button for the moderators just. That would be one thing but maybe you know in the last couple debates they had on several occasions new multiple moderators maybe that would change something but i think as long as chump decides to continue to run in the republican primary with the bullfight that hes putting on there i dont think theres a way to control them well well see if they if they do go with the mute button itll be interesting to see the whigs this is an excellent discussion gentleman. Veteran of the obama campaigns of 20082012 the london Jeremy ShapiroResearch Director at the European Council on Foreign Relations the both of you gentlemen thank you very much. It is what all the currents and dictators do when they dont like the message they shut down or get rid of the messengers and that is exactly what is happening now in bill roofs the coverage of mass protests has gained traction and attention globally to the dismay of president lukashenko the result is now is not good news for foreign journalists connelly joins me in just a moment he was just forced to leave bella ruse but 1st his report on efforts to gag the media and what that means for the protest of weeks of protests capturing imaginations around the world colorful symbols charismatic leaders. Its often turned ugly Security Forces cracking down brutally on peaceful protests and when it did photographers and journalists were there to report. People here tell you one thing time and time again knowing that the world is watching makes them feel safer. They show the outside attention acts as a restraint on the government. But journalists are facing increasing intimidation to photographers spent 15 days in jail for quote organizing an illegal protest they had taken pictures of a demonstration an editor who published an interview in which a victim of torture names his torture also ended up in jail and tire news outlets now stand to lose their media licenses without them their journalists could face arrest at any time. Foreign journalists like me havent so far been subjected to this kind of treatment very soon there may not be any of us left here in pillars getting a new credit taishan or extending this thing papers is no longer possible theres no outright refusal just the same excuse over and over again the commission in charge they say called get together because of covert this in a country where the man in charge president Alexander Lukashenko who claims to have won the disputed election downplays the dangers of the coronavirus he has said that a visit to the sauna is the best treatment for the disease. As independent media here vanishes protesters fear a future in which there is no one left to document what the government does to its opponents. And with me here the big table is the w. s very young economy that just got off the plane from ments niggas go