At the same time, budapest, i remind everyone, despite all my jokes in quotation marks, attempts to somehow single out some russian oligarchs, loosen sanctions, single out the Russian Nuclear industry and much more, that can be continued through commas, nevertheless, yesivskyi has supported all packages so far, even though these are packages of the lowest denominator, and although this is a problem. Great with the implementation of these sanctions, especially with the fact that there are no workarounds, and they actually already are not the sea, but the ocean, but nevertheless, formally, budapest agreed to all 11 packages of sanctions. I think that next, orban has to separately , as i said the strategy, solve the key issues for himself, they have already laid out where their consent is needed for consensus. Decisions and will demand something for it, so they have history for themselves 100 also drew allies, well conditionally situational allies in quotes, among european countries, they will also find 100 , i do not think that they will be like orban, orban is alone, and hungary today in the European Union is alone, its not that its such a trojan horse, but Something Like that, but then again, other countries can also drag their own situational local interests with their local problems, as we see the issue of greek carriers. But explain to us yesterdays statement by the head of the european commissions representation in ukraine , kateryna maternova, that countries that will not be able to solve their territorial problems, she meant not only ukraine with our war with the russian federation, but also moldova with transnistria. So that aspect of its existence will not be members of the European Union until this moment . And so far no one in the European Union knows what it will look like, this is a formal political position, a report was recently released with great fanfare, by the way, very publicly from 12 german and french experts, and in this report there are a lot of. Official the positions of germany and france, but they so neatly hid them under the guise of enough wellknown experts, i dont know all of them, but i know most of them, they really are well known, and there is , if you read a special section, which says yes, ukraine is accepted, but if at that time there will still be territories controlled by russia, and then there will be a process of deoccupation, then there will be a separate one. The process of accepting them into the European Union , it will not be automatic, for example, there will be a separate survey, what kind of survey, what kind of survey, no one says about it, therefore , as i said , there is a formal political position, but nevertheless, no one knows how to implement it further, moreover, all of us understood that just as ukraine must fundamentally change in order to join the European Union and nato , the European Union must also. Change itself, since todays European Union is not able to accept both us and moldova, well, moldova is not a special challenge, i speak with respect of course to moldova and, but also the western balkans, and they do not just say that this is a geopolitical expansion, that is, there will not be, difficult arguments, difficult emotions, and most importantly , no one knows now, it is even necessary to make changes to the fundamental treaties of the eu, regarding decisionmaking, the process, how its done, and many, many more things, this discussion has started, but. No conscious results, even from my communication, so far that i dont see, so the political position that you speak of and about which kateryna spoke, it is so far a formal political declaration and nothing more, but how to implement it, no one knows yet, thank you, pavlo klimkin, ukrainian diplomat, former minister of Foreign Affairs of our country, was in touch with us , and we will take a break with khrystyna. 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Vitaly, if we take the period of 2022, as it seems to me, it was simply indecent among politicians to say that i do not support ukraine. Either we do not think that ukraine should be the main priority now, or i am romanticizing, but now this is a more popular thesis, and many politicians, in particular in european countries, are trying to saddle it like a horse, no . Well i would say it is logical because for any politician if he wants to stay in power the protection of National Interest is more priority than anything else just another question what is National Interest last year it was believed that National Interest comes first in the defense of ukraine. Because if if russia seizes ukraine and goes, lets say, to the polish borders, then this is a serious problem for poland and for other countries of central europe. Now everyone sees a positional war, when the Ukrainian Army is fighting the russian army very far from the borders of the countries of central europe, and there are chances that this war will drag on for years, precisely in this geographical gap, precisely in the east and south of ukraine. And if ukraine will exhaust russia for years, even exhausting itself, then this will mean that nothing is in danger for the countries of central europe, because such weakened by years of confrontation with ukraine , russia will no longer be able to pose a threat to Central European countries. Therefore, in this situation, of course , the interests of ones own voter come to the fore, ones own voter is not threatened by the russian threat, he is threatened by, lets say, that there will be some net prices for convergence. From the point of view of rightwing polish politicians, he is threatened by the otpku issue from orbans point of view, he is threatened by the problems that are connected there with the greek carriers from the point of view of ofin, these are just primary problems because it is a war in its protracted phase, so it can still be said to be a war of a high level of intensity, maybe we will live in a war of a low level of intensity for years, but this war is geographically limited, localized up to a certain point. If the russian army moves forward, if it appears in the north of ukraine, i can assure you that the interest in this war on the part of the poles or the hungarians will grow again, because they will understand that a new danger has appeared, but for now the ukrainian the army restrains russia in the east and south of ukraine, so to speak, in those regions that are very far from of polish civilization, then of course the situation looks completely different, well, look, there are two ways of the development of events, one way is connected with the fact that russia, lets say, defeats ukraine, uh, uh, exits, occupies, enters the borders there, 1991 year, and all other former soviet republics will simply fall like dominoes after that, and in years there, well, because the Ukrainian Army is the only army that can and wants to match the russian one. In other former soviet republics, these are small countries, no one will stand up for them, c they have a belief in this that is quite childish, i think if you ask the citizens of azerbaijan who will stand up for them if a russian tank comes, they will tell you erdogan, and if you ask the citizens of kazakhstan, they may say that china will not allow this, but you know all this, before the first shot of the cannons, we understand that Neither China nor turkey will fight with the russian federation, they will express political, concern, they may even supply weapons up to a certain point, but this is a small country, azerbaijan not ukraine, the mobilization potential is different, im not saying that it will happen tomorrow , im just saying that in the event of the collapse of ukraine, such threats to the postsoviet space begin, which means that this soviet union appears, this is what is dreamed of in the kremlin, and then this soviet union is new , he already stated, you remember, that before this big. The kremlin already said that you and we demand that the latest weapons be withdrawn from the countries of central europe, well, of course, now the west is sending moscow, just saying. Listen, we we ourselves know what kind of weapons should be kept there, but imagine that moscow has received all the military advantages, yes, that its troops are stationed in uzhgorod and in ashgabat, and that it is starting negotiations with the west, and under the United States them, conditional trump chisantis conducts, and the president of russia does not matter who is putin or medvedev, he says, listen, why did all these pygmies seem to you, well , tell me, we are nothing like that. We dont want to, we lived well when they were under us, and the french and germans were under you, so come on live in peace, they can even be in nato, that hungary is in nato , what is bothering us, but it should be a friendly country , and poland should be a friendly country, let it be in nato, just let it have its place in this life, and that is a threat, and the second option is that ukraine wins, it becomes a member of nato and the European Union, and russia is unlikely to step on the former soviet republic, otherwise it. But it can be a completely different story, you see that with each passing day of the war with ukraine, its influence on the postsoviet space is falling, not because it fights, and because it does not win, and when it fought and won, lets say in georgia in 2008, or where else, its influence increased, and this must be understood, because not very large countries with, i would say, with paternalistic society, they love winners. Defeated, and this is the reality, we see that in russia there is failure after failure, look at the situation in the caucasus, so in this respect everything is clear, but on the other hand, you understand that the politicians who are now behaving like this , as politicians of law and justice behave, they take risks, that is, they on the one hand, when they put forward all these slogans, when they say that poles are offended by ukrainians, that ukrainians are ungrateful and all that, they naturally have to count on that ultraradical rightwing electorate, which otherwise would definitely vote for confederation, lets say the same polish farmers who otherwise voted yes for the confederation, but now they will think, listen, well , this government protects our interests, why should they vote for someone else, but there is a moderate part of the right to the electorate , people who, in principle, do not really like the same Civic Platform there, people who consider yaroslav kaczynskis party to be a party of a scumbag, a party that preserves traditional values, and together with them, they do not like russia, these people, they consider russia to be an aggressor, they believe that she behaves precisely contrary to these values, here suddenly, such a story turns out, so that on the one hand they can take the electorate here and lose the electorate there, this is such an unknown result, and we will see how it will all unfold during the polish elections, about troubles of the russian federation, i dont know if you can call it that, but did everything go according to russias plan. Actually in the caucasus, in karabakh, we are now observing events that end the 30year history of the unrecognized nagornokarabakh republic from january 1 in 2024, de jure, it ceases to exist, de facto it has already ceased to exist, of course , and what is de jure for a self proclaimed republic, it is like if, if certain, certain institutions do not control anything, then what difference do they issue, i i dont know at all, even from a legal point of view the same selfproclaimed, nagornokarabakh republic, as far as the president of this republic, to the fact that he is elected by the parliament and the people, this entity, can terminate the existence of anything, it simply dissolved politically, as far as it went according to plan, and or not according to plan russia, you see, russia has very simple plans, these plans are based on necessity. Maintaining control over the postsoviet space. I already told you, this is the principle of the refrigerator. Former soviet republics should be in such a refrigerator, do not enter anywhere, do not molest anyone, remain in this state there until i want to eat them. As long as i dont want to eat them, absolutely sure, such frozen meat for the predator that is russia. For many years, armenia and azerbaijan have been, one might say, at the edge of this karabakh conflict. And which russia fueled even in the times of the soviet union, it was just that in soviet times some forces did it, then others began to do it, but again, if we look at the first karabakh war, where armenia received an undeniable victory over azerbaijan, and the Karabakh Forces won an indisputable victory, then we must remember that as it was in the beginning, in the beginning, moscow fully supported azerbaijan, by 155 . Then i would tell the scales to tilt, because it became clear in moscow that control over azerbaijan had to be established, a popular. Front led by obulfaz came to power in azerbaijan, this popular front, its leaders began to think about some Energy Contracts with the west, no, we cannot allow this, this kind of vahanalia began, help armenia, which was not helped, the leaders of the Karabakh Committee in soviet times were interned and arrested, headed by the future first president of armenia, livonomyan, but moscow really didnt like that this happened, and they actually helped armenia then. Because they tried, they