Former border guy ron vitello on these developments. Who really won the undecided voters in the Vice President ial debate last night . Newlyreleased fbi classified documents appear to indicate attorney general William Barrs decision to throw out the case against Michael Flynn. Newly written fbi notes that top fibly lawyers in 2017 saying no reasonable prosecutor would bring the flynn case, and it would be quote a uphill battle. We have a lot more. Why the new media, democrat backlash trying to discredit and undercut declassified government information showing Hillary Clinton allegedly had a disinformation plan in 2016 to undermine President Trump trying to connect him to the hack of democrat emails. Why this will likely fail. Why . Because it is based on things like handwritten notes, written in real time by obamas former cia director john brennan showing Hillary Clinton allegedly did try to link trump to the hacking of democrat emails. Plus we are hearing even more government documents could be declassified. And we are digging into the timeline of how, of the events how it all went down. It shows it is more than coincidental when it comes to what hillary, the cia, and the fbi were doing and what obama and his team were aware of from the getgo. Also the Justice Department playing hardball. Now letting prosecutors launch voter fraud probes close to election day. The debate on that. And this, a new i. C. E. Arrest of criminal illegal aliens wanted for things and charged for things like homicide and murder after a certain sanctuary state set them free. Thanks for joining us. Im elizabeth macdonald. The evening edit starts right now. Elizabeth lets get to the fight over the debates. Washington times opinion editor charles hurt, lets take the story on first, charles. Who won the vicepresident ial debate . Who got the undecided voters. By the way, good to see you. Good to see you, elizabeth. You know in as much as there are any undecided voters out there that are tuning in at this point which im sort of highly skeptical of because people seemed to be so set right now and have been for a while i would think that if you landed on planet earth from mars and just watched the debate you would have seen kamala harris, she was defensive and a bit, a bit snappy at times and didnt have a terrific command of the facts i dont think and you would have seen a guy like mike pence who had, i thought handled himself beautifully. He had perfect command of the facts and of course you know, had a winning message i think and i quite frankly, i hope that President Trump can look at that debate and realize that you know, these debates are not rallies. Theyre very important, great opportunities to make your case for why you are the person to be, who needs to be in charge of the economy. Youre the person who needs to be in charge of our health care for the next four years. Elizabeth President Trump doesnt want to do a virtual debate october 15th. Here is what he is saying. He is saying things, joe biden could be in a room with cue cards, staff, you know, teleprompters an earpiece. Remember the george w. Bush debate he was accused of having a wire in his back. So there is thats right. Take out the names trump and biden. It is about fairness here. There is a reason why we havent had a virtual debate in 60 years since the Kennedy Nixon debate which was effectively virtual debate. People will be accused about cheating. Well waste airtime talking about cheating instead of policy solutions to fix the country. I think that is what the debate is. I think the entire thing becomes about process and when were arguing about process that is never a winning message for anybody involved. Certainly not anybody who wants us to make some progress here. You know, a regular, whether it is town hallstyle debate or an in person mano y mano debate on a stage with a moderator, however that is, donald trump won the 2016 election based on the issues. He can win this election based on the issues and, anytime were talking about debate rules, you know, obviously the moderators, we have seen have been, moderator last night, for example, the number of questions, the tough questions that she had for mike pence, the softball questions she had for kamala harris, it is so obvious. Kite frankly i think viewers sort filter that in but if were talking about things like that, donald trump and mike pence are failing to win on the issues. They can win on the issues. Talk about the issues. That is the only way theyre going to win. Elizabeth it has been talked about how about no moderators. Dont have any moderators, right . That is issue too. Fine. That would be great. Elizabeth up to speed, what is going on, the Trump Campaign offered to move the debate back a week to october 22nd. Move the third debate to october 29th. Joe biden is doing abc town hall the need of what was supposed to be the second debate october 15th. Nancy pelosi will say talking to democrats tomorrow about invoking the 25th amendment. Get the viewer up to speed what the doctors are saying about the president s condition. He has been fever free. He doesnt show symptoms. He doesnt need oxygen and basically does have antibodies. No indication he is immune to future infections. That is where it is at. Nancy pelosi on the 25th amendment. Your take on that . Heres the crazy thing about this, elizabeth. If the polls are all correct and joe biden is winning by 10 points or 20 points, if democrats have this election in the bag the way theyre claiming that they do, why are they being so desperate right now . Why is nancy pelosi out there talking about wanting to invoke the 25th amendment . It really does sort of have me secondguessing whether they really are so confident they have this thing in the bag. Either way, we have an election in three weeks. It tells me that she is banking far more on trying to stir the pot and whip up all of this trump derangement nonsense. That is what she cares about. She didnt care about governing. She doesnt even care about wing the election. She just wants to score points with their rabid base who hate trump. The blind hatred of trump. That is really, really bad place for us as a country to be in, and even worse place for democrats to be in. Elizabeth you know trump wants to do rallies. He is saying he wants to do rallies as soon as next moaned. You know, Trump Supporters have told us they said, quote listen, we dont like the crazy things he says. We dont like his personal attacks. What they do like he is trying to get things done, fix the country, work, he is working to fix the country. They like his actions. That is it what theyre talking about when it comes to President Trump. Right. Elizabeth its clear that certain individuals in the media and on the democrat side dont see that. If youre a fairminded, rational logical person you would be fair seeing that and understand what is going on in the country. Now you have things like nancy pelosi saying invoking the 25th amendment. Move on what is going on the polls. I want your take, real clear politics average up 9. 7 . In real clear politics average of 14 polls. We see different battleground state polls shifting and moving. Now we got nearly six Million People voting. That is more than 70 times when it was in the last election cycle. Who is swinging the vote now . There is a lot of talk about the pandemic moms or the soccer moms and they want to feel safe and theyre concerned about the chaos in d. C. Is that what is going on . What do you think . I do think that there is this, this sort of, i call it the make it stop election where theyre are a lot of people, im trying to think, because obviously you know i think trump is doing a terrific job and four more years. He have doesnt need to make the case to me. I followed all of it i know he earned another four more years. I try to think about it from other peoples perspective there are intelligent logical people out there, who love america who want all the insanity to stop. Elizabeth yeah. Joe biden is trying to make the case you vote for me, youre not even voting for me. Youre just voting against trump. And thats a probably a pretty smart strategy but it is so dishonest. It is so disingenuous. Elizabeth and by the way is the biden strategy working . Hide biden, basically hide his flaws. Dont let him talk to voters. Dont let him talk to reporters. Dont let him make mistakes . If trump doesnt get another debate with him elizabeth let i am be out there. Go ahead. If trump doesnt get another debate the hiding strategy works. He needs to get him on the debate stage, to make his case on covid and the economy of the hard stop. Elizabeth by the way we want to point out news coming out of a White House Security official came down with covid19 before the rose garden event with the Supreme Court nominee amy coney barrett. So this individual got sick with covid before the rose garden event. 34 people plus getting infected with covid. Were to the blaming the security official. We dont know how the outbreak happened at the white house. Charles hurt, great to have you on. Come back soon. Okay. Great to see you. Elizabeth thanks. Turning to a shocking and disturbing story the fbi charging 13 people including people linked to militia with a plot to abduct Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer with a storm the state capital and basically start a civil war. Foxs Garrett Tenney with more. Reporter liz, federal prosecutors say this group was actively planning and preparing for the operation which they planned to carry out before the election. According to the criminal complaint, the six suspects who have ties to a Militia Group were planning to kidnap michigan governor Gretchen Whitaker and take her to secret location for a quote, trial. They have been training for combat drills, gathering materials for explosives around conducts surveilance of the area to better plan their attack largely organized by suspects adam fox and barry croft. Fox and croft in particular according to the complaint discussed detonating explosives devices to divert police from the area of the home. And fox even inspected the you know side of a michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosives. Reporter in one encrypted conversation obtained by the fbi the suspects allegedly described governor whitmers strict restrictions in the pandemic as uncontrolled power with no checks and balance they said quote must come to an end. This afternoon whitmer thanked Law Enforcement for stopping the failed plat and suggested President Trump is partly responsible. When our leaders speak their words matter. They carry weight. When our leaders meet with and encourage, fraternize with domestic terrorists, they legitimatize their actions. And they are complicit. Reporter more than a dozen people are in custody for their alleged ties to this plot to overthrow michigans government which the suspects believed was violating the u. S. Constitution. State and federal prosecutors are really stressing though this is an Ongoing Investigation and additional charges and arrests are expected. Liz . Elizabeth Garrett Tenney, thank you so much. Good to see you. Next up Media Research center brent bozell. Well stay on the story with what happened with the Vice President ial debate last night. At least one in 10 voters, possibly more are still undecided. They potentially have a h the power to decide the election this story next with brent bozell. Fortunately President Trump in dealing with china from the outset of this administration, standing up to china had been taking advantage of america for decades in the wake of joe badens cheerleading for i cant believe it. What . That our new house is haunted by casper the friendly ghost . Hey jill hey kurt movies . Ill get snacks no, i cant believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on our Car Insurance with geico. I got snacks ohhh, i got popcorn, i got caramel corn, i got kettle corn. Am i chewing too loud . Believe it geico could save you fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance. Look at this human trying you know what he will get . Muscle pain. Give up, the couch is calling. I say, its me, the couch, im calling. Pain says you cant. 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When it comes to substance, i will Say Something here, if the Trump Campaign wins in november, i think youre going to say last night was the turning point in the campaign. Why do i say that . Because on issue after issue after issue on substance the Vice President nailed the bidenharris, ticket, whether it was on taxes with a massive tax increase coming, whether it was on fracking, whether it was on abortion and finally on packing the courts. I think everyone who watched saw the disingenuousness of a campaign that simply will not tell the American People what theyre going to do. We just heard today by the way, joe biden saying he will not tell people until after the election whether or not he will destroy the Supreme Court. I love it. Elizabeth okay. Interesting. So heres, also, what else happened. Kamala harris opened hard on covid19 but the question was, what would bidenharris do differently on cove cover. Pence firing back, biden, youre copycatting the trump plan. Brought up bidens plagiarism. Mr. Vice president , im speaking. Youre continued undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just urn acceptable. The reality talk about failure in this administration, we actually do know what failure looks like in a pandemic. When joe biden was Vice President of the United States not 7 1 2 Million People contracted the swine flu. 60 million americans contracted the swine flu. On january 28th the Vice President and the president were informed about the nature of this pandemic. They were informed lethal in consequence. That it is airborne. That it will affect young people. They knew what was happening and they didnt tell you. They knew and they covered it up. The reality is when you look at the biden plan it reads an awful like what President Trump and i and our task force have been doing every step the way. Looks a little bit like plagiarism which is something joe biden knows a little bit about. When joe biden was Vice President we had the opportunity to safe Kayla Mueller. Breaks my heart to reflect on it the military came into the oval office, presented a plan. They knew kayla was, baghdadi held her for 18 months, abused her mercilessly. When joe biden was Vice President they hesitated for a month. Lou elizabeth that is the Kayla Mueller story, raped, tortured, eventually murdered by isis. He closed out pretty with that tough anecdote. Your final thoughts on this debate . Well i think Vice President mike pence came across as what he is, a very decent, good man and it showed. And i think at the end of the day the bidenharris came campaign is looking more and more calculated in nature that will not sell well with the American People ultimately. Elizabeth brent bozell. Thanks for joining us. Great to see you. Come back soon. Thank you. 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