Can change history. And this may be one of the most propitiouslytitled books to hit the book stands in a long time. [laughter] senator, its great to have you with us and also we recommend the senators book to you highly. I want to begin with the level of fraud that we see now. Many people do not realize you were also a part of the republican legal team back in gore v. Bush. Its give us your sense of what, where we are right now in terms of electoral fraud. Well, look, weve got litigation all over the country. The results of the election arent final, and theyre not final until the matters are litigated and the results have been finally tabulated. And there are recounts ongoing. You mentioned my book, one vote away, theres an entire chapter in the book on bush v. Gore. And in 2000 i was part of george w. Bushs legal team. And if you think about it that night, that night initially the news media called al gore the winner, then they switched it and called george w. Bush the winner. Al gore sent an army of lawyers into florida, and for 36 days nobody knew what the result was. They had to litigate those matters, they had to complete the recount, and then at the end of the day we learned who the winner was. During that time and in the book one vote away i take people behind the scenes and in the war room where we had a whiteboard on the wall with seven different lawsuits any one of which could have cost the presidency of the United States. During that time we conducted a full trial, we went to the Florida Supreme Court twice, we went to the u. S. Supreme court twice, briefed it, argued and got opinions. That took 36 days. The court system can move and move quickly and, ultimately, george w. Bush prevailed because when the votes were counted, he had the most votes in florida, and he won. The same thing needs to happen here. The litigation needs to get resolved in each of the states where there are pending cases, and then well know whos prevailed, but thats going to take several weeks. Lou would you not agree its further evidence of just how unconstitutional the idea of early voting, mailin voting is to realize that were coming up against two important deadlines here as a result of disputes over these votes . One is december 8th, the other the 4th. And we are, we have in some instances going up to the 20th of this month, votes being tabulated. This is outrageous. And how in the world did the idea of early balloting, early voting, mailin balloting ever pass muster and get by the Supreme Court . Well, mailin is voting historically has been significantly more subject to fraud. Its more susceptible to unscrupulous operatives stealing peoples votes, engaging in vote harvesting which weve seen. Unfortunately in the era of covid, a lot of democratic states and democratic jurisdictions used it as an excuse to expand mailin voting. Now, theres a silver lewining to that which is as we have recount and contest litigation pending in the states, on election day donald trump won a significant majority of the people who cast inperson ballots on election day. Of the early vote and the mailin vote, biden won a significant majority. The Silver Lining is that historically mailin votes get excluded in a recount, get rejected in litigation much more frequently than inperson votes because theyre more often subject to fraud, theyre more often they dont meet the legal standards. What that means is if the litigation moves forward, theres some real possibility that we will see the vote totals for joe biden go down as the legal votes are excluded, and thats what the judicial process is meant to determine and what i expect it will be determining in the coming weeks. Lou isnt there a collision here between the requirement for a uniform among the states a uniform federal election day and early voting, mailin balloting, however you want to style it or term it . That just seems to fly in the face of giving the power of that electoral process over in each state to the state government. Well, what the constitution does is it gives the power of setting the time, place and manner of the president ial election to the state legislatures. And its unusual normally when the constitution speaks of the state, it addresses the entire state government. In this instance it specifies the legislature in particular. That is highly relevant especially in pennsylvania because what happened is the legislature set, passed a law and set a rule that ballots, early ballots lou a republicancontrolled legislature, we should point out. Yeah. Lou right. And the democratic governor and the democratic Supreme Court just decreed that they were changing that. Attempting to change that is contrary to the constitution, and i think if the Supreme Court considers that case on the merits, they are likely to conclude that what the pennsylvania Supreme Court did was unconstitutional. And those facts lou and those facts were in evidence going into the decision to pass on a ruling beforehand, before the Supreme Court. John roberts demuring. Did he make a mistake . You know, i think the court dud make a mistake. They should have taken the case. John roberts joined the liberals and didnt take the case before the election. It would have been much easier to resolve it then. Subsequently, Justice Sam Alito said the mores were quite likely to prevail on the merits. The constitutional question was clear, and he ordered the state of pennsylvania to segregate those latereceived votes, to keep them separate so that a court, if it concluded they were illegal are, could exclude them. And i think that really foreshadowed that if the court takes this on the merits, it will likely strike it down. Its not certain the court would agree to take the case on the merits, but if they do, i think the president s likelily to prevail on that likely to prevail on that legal question. Lou on that question and also will the court take into account that the complaints and charges here of voter, both voter fraud and electoral fraud all fall upon the democrats, not republicans . That looks very bad, i would think, for anyone using common sense. Is it relevant in the high court . Well, in terms of laying out the evidence of voter fraud, that really is a step that has to play out in the trial courts, both the state trial courts and federal trial courts. And, you know, its hard for any of us as informed citizens to really know exactly what happened. You see something on twitter, you see a story here or there, but you dont know what the facts are. And thats why we have a judicial system where in a court the Trump Campaign and the biden campaign, they will send in their lawyers, they will put on evidence, expert witnesses, they will hear testimony, and the judicial system will make determinations of facts. Thats how we find out what occurred is that we have a system to test the facts. So im hopeful and what i expect to happen in the coming days and weeks is for the Trump Campaign to put on their evidence and, hopefully, to convince a factfinder that their allegations of fraud are accurate and supported by the evidence. Lou yeah, there are two elements here. One is, of course, the appearance at least of fraud across a broad number of states and in each instance the charges are against democrats, not are republicans. The other part is we have a president who the court will also be able to judge very clearly. The democrats have been trying to both block his presidency, to overthrow his presidency through impeachment as well as absolute, in my judgment, treason on the part of a number of government officials, the deep state, if you will. Those things should be taken into account, dont you think, as well by the court . To see this as a continuation of what has been the resistance . They did not call it the healing. Isnt that interesting . Back in 2016. Now theyre calling it the healing period. Back then it was the resistance that persisted until this very moment. Your thoughts as we wrap up here. Well, i dont know that the Supreme Court necessarily will give that great weight, but i do think the American People see it. The American People see that for four years the democrats attacked President Trump, denied the legitimacy of husband election, fought him at every stage. You started with Andrew Mccabe who testified before the Judiciary Committee yesterday. Ive got to say the behavior of the doj and the fbi under barack obama, they politicized it and used it to attack their enemies, and it was disgraceful. I think the American People see that. The impeachment saga was an abuse of power as well, and i think thats one of the reasons why over 70 million americans came out to support President Trump. We need every legal vote to be counted, and im hopeful at the end of this process we will determine the winner, and i very much hope President Trump is reelected. You mentioned a week ago the Georgia Senate race, two senate seats on the ballot january 5th. Im going to be traveling to georgia. Control of the senate hinges on the state of georgia. And if you dont want to see the radical leftist agenda of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and aoc implemented, that Georgia Senate seat is to save the whole country. Lou senator ted cruz, im sure that everyone is excited to see you in georgia, and im pretty sure, too, that youll be bringing a lot of your friends to the effort. And also i want to compliment you on help helping shed light on the obamagate with Andrew Mccabe in the Senate Judiciary hearing. You were terrific, we appreciate prosecute it and appreciates what youre going to be doing in georgia. As always. Senator ted cruz, thank you. Up next, one of the republican canvass Board Members in wayne county, michigan, she was harassed, she was bullied, she was threatened and she certified Election Results. Her name is monica palmer. She is our guest here next. Stay with us, well be right back. Lou our next guest has faced the harassment, the intimidation efforts of the radical left in this country. She was bullied, she was threatened by them, and she certified Election Results in wayne county, michigan. And joining us now is monica palmer. Shes one of two republican members of the wayne board of canvassers, wayne county board of canvassers, and monica has since rescinded her vote to certify those results. Monica, i can only imagine what youve gone through here in the last few days, but i applaud and appreciate you being with us tonight to tell your story and what has transpired in wayne county, one of the most controversial locations. A state a county where we saw so much happening just before our cameras; the boarding up of cardboard over windows to prevent the public from seeing whats going on. Tell us why, first of all, you did not want to certify the results in wayne county, you and one other republican member of the board of canvassers. When we were given a verbal executive summary of the precincts to find out the over under reports whether the precincts were balanced or unbalanced, there were an excessive number of precincts that were unbalanced without explanation. And it is the job of the canvass to find the explanations in the difference in the balance. Therefore, in my opinion, we did not have complete and accurate documentation for the total number of votes on the precincts that didnt have explanations, and that is why i voted no. Lou that is one of the requirements, is for the canvassers to find that balance and to have an explanation for the imbalance, correct . That is correct. Lou and so that Board Meeting in wayne county was underway, there was video streaming of it, there was some contention in the room, and it was going out to everyone. And suddenly the video streaming of a Public Meeting was interrupted. It was stopped. What happened when the cameras went off . Im not sure how the cameras stopped. I wasnt operating the laptops. But during public commentary, the vice chair pulled me aside into the back warehouse and offered a suggestion on a win win solution that would get wayne county Election Results certified and would provide a route to get explanations to the precincts that were out of balance, unexplained at that point and offered me a personal guarantee that he had Higher Authority promised him that we could get an audit done, a comprehensive, independent audit. And that comprehensive, independent audit should be able to provide the explanations that are currently missing. And its for that reason only that i voted for the certification, knowing that we would have an audit that would provide the explanation for the differences. Lou right. But, of course, thats not occurred, and you have been threatened. Youve been harassed. What are the most serious threats against you and your family . Ive received Text Messages with awful, awful photos of naked women and then a photo of my daughter that was pulled offline and a note letting me know that thats what was going to happen to my daughter. And that im viewed as a terrorist and that my husband and my daughter or and i should all fear for our lives. My employer has been harassed. A wedding, bridal shop that i shared a post from i dont know how long ago, theyve been harassed because i shared a poston post on my page on twitter. Its just where does it stop . Lou it doesnt stop, monica. It doesnt stop. Weve watched the country be harassed and intimidated from may through august with street violence across the largest democratrun cities. We have seen a Supreme Court justice intimidated, some say broken. Referring to justice kavanaugh. We have seen the ugliest side of this country and the ugliest side of the american left and the democrat party. We thank you for being with us. We hope you will rejoin us and, monica, we, you know, every american should feel terrible for you. We hope that you will stay safe, and were going to to have to get this fixed, and we need to get it fixed now. Up next, a new documentary explores how the forgotten families have gotten out of the cycle. And be sure to buy my new book, the trump century. Its hot, or its just wonderful and its available at loudobbsshop. Com. Patriots only. I stay with us, well be right derriere discomfort. We try to soothe it with this. Cool it with this. And relieve it with this. But new preparation h soothing relief is the 21st century way to do all three. Everyday. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. Lexus has been celebrating driveway moments. Heres to one more, the lexus december to remember sales event. Get 0 financing on all new 2020 and 2021 lexus models. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Everybody has a story. It could be through drugs, it could be through abuse, it could be through violence, and our families are broken down, our communities are broken down, peoples lives are broken down. Theyre devastated. This is the story of three forgotten american cities. I spent five years exploring this lost american if interior. I thought id be telling an economic story, but over time i discovered theres a deeper human crisis. Lou thats a clip from the new documentary america lost, exploring the forgotten men and women of youngstown the, ohio, memphis, tennessee, and stockton, california. Our next guest is the director of the documentary, and joining us is christopher rufo, fellow at the discovery institute. Congratulations on the movie, an important subject. And at this, at this juncture your ideas changed a lot. You said it was about economics, but it turned out to be about people. People in this country right now are hurting in so many ways, but economically certainly among them as a result of the china virus. What dud you learn . What did you learn . Yes. I learned that right now about 50 million americans are going through a crisis where all of the institutions the family, the Faith Community and ore elements of social capital have collapsed. We spend so much time talking about partisan politics, but meanwhile, there are millions and millions of families that have seen the kind of social fabric just shredded beneath them. Lou the social fabric, theres also a social contract we have in this country, medicaid, we have medicare, we have all sorts of programs, food stamps, s. N. A. P. , you name it. We have an extraordinary safety net for people who are in pain. Why isnt that working in these communities that have lost so much . Yeah. The United States currently spends more than 1. 1 trillion a year on antipoverty programs, and yet the official poverty rate hasnt changed since about 1968. And its because the policies that have failed and failed year after year, they keep getting renewed. Policymakers keep doubling down, and were going to need real systemic change in how we think about poverty in order for that number to change. Lou this president applying, you know, economic enterprise zones, creating all sorts of programs that are outside the mainstream of thinking, social justice programs, for example, Prison Reform trying to do what could be done in these first years of his presidency. What do we need to do . I know you believe in conservative solutions, not programmatic solutions. What do you think or say the two or three Top Priorities we should undertake . I think the first thing is really renewing the sense of what with it means to be human, what it means to be american. We have to speak very clearly from a high moral foundation that family is important, faith is important, community is important. And its a spiritual battle that were in. Were to cast away the temptation of drugs and crime and violence and really renew the american spirit, that cando attitude and lift each other up from the bottom up because, unfortunately, the topdown approach has fail