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could win iowa and new hampshire which doesn't mean joe biden loses the democratic primary but that's a bit of a black eye if you're the sitting president and the presumptive nominee. will: there's a historical precedent for a third candidate, causing maybe even more than embarrassment in the primaries, but in some estimation, affect ing the outcome. let's go off the wall again and could look at the history. we'll start in 2016. donald trump vs. hillary clinton you had two outside candidates staying in the race until late. libertarian gary johnson the former governor of new mexico and jill stein, the green party candidate. pete: this is why i love doing off the wall. sometimes we're reminded of things forgot about their two candidacies, presumably he would have maybe taken more from donald trump as a libertarian, maybe a little bit more from hillary clinton but when you look at the actual numbers the reason jill stein's vote is so significant, is the percentage of vote that she got in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, jill stein, green party candidate, was higher than