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we're at 3:50 now. four producers are looking to maximize profit. at what point do they try to get gasoline prices -- what point do they want to get to to maximize profit here? you get to $ten a gallon in the united states, there will be a pullback on driving -- and they don't want to do that. is there a sweet spot? >> they'll put the price wherever they think they can earn the most money. that's what they do. so this is an argument for why we should be turning the spigots on and drill by drill here because that would mean we could lower the price at the pump. will we see increases in gas prices? hard to say. there is a lot of oil out there. they will do everything they can. the countries we're talking about iran, venezuela, russia, saudi arabia. these are countries that are not