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in that position? if you're a democrat you're not going to vote for trump you do not abide in. if you want a republican you're not going to vote for biden so you have no safe harbor. there is a desire for a safe harbor if they put forward a series ticket with what's a joe manchin and a series republican on it, a lot of people run to the safe harbor. it is still a long shot but i think this would actually be a very serious, serious presidential campaign. shannon: they've gotten that gor senator mansion and former governor ambassador john huntsman and ambassador and a key early state tomorrow precooked is a nonprofit evident 2012 i believe is america elect. it came four years too early because in 2006 seen a bunch of people at a safe harbor. it's interesting this could be coinciding at a correct time this time around. look, people's needs are not being meant for their crying out for summing different. i like that the democrats have raised fresh faced dick and gephardt. [laughter] to give people a little spice in