Certainly i will. Certainly i will. And you know that. Howie when reuters correspondent jeff mason kept pressing him about the Electoral College, the president punched back. Look, between you people dont talk to me that way. Youre just a lightweight. Dont talk to me that im the president of the united states. Dont ever talk to the president that way. Howie the media largely celebrating President Trumps decision to cooperate with a joe biden election without concession. The 2020 president ial election was not fair. No honest person would claim that it was fair. They rigged the election in front of all of us. And nobody did anything about it. Unless the legal situation changes in a dramatic and frankly unlikely manner, joe biden will be inaugurated on january 20th. To say this constitutes living in reality. And if i offered you a false reality, if i told you there was an excellent phenomenal chance that the Supreme Court was going to step in and deliver a victory to President Trump, id be lying to you. I dont get what my Brothers And Sisters in the media keep playing to this. Who cares if trump concedes . Its not in the law. Its a tradition. Imagine the crisis we would have been in if trump flipped the votes and was about to be inaugurated, the president having lost by 4 points and over of 6 million votes. Howie joining us to analyze the coverage, ben domenech, in new york, kennedy, wh whose Box Business Show is Fox Business Show is back in business and Clarence Page come u columnist e chicago tribune. Let me pay a bit of the interview with President Trump and well talk about it on the other side. The election was over and they did dumps, big, massive dump, all of a sudden i went from winning by a lot to losing by a little. Howie the president s talking about massive dumps, those are the mailin ballots. Hes talking about problems with voting machines, talking about dead people voting. The challenge for the media, in more than 30 of case is the president s legal team have been unable to convince judges there was evidence of fraud. Whats your take of how this is playing out with the press . I think this is the president shifting from largely legal strategy to a media strategy. The fact that this morning he went on with maria and made as strong of a case as he could for his perspective on this one that i think is to hit point earlier not going to change whats happened or of anything like that. I think youre just going to be in a situation where again and again you are going to have these conflicts between the press and the president until he actually leaves office, because theyve set up this whole scenario of him getting like bunkered in or Something Like that in the white house in ways that i think were he never going to happen but in ways that they have played up over the past several months, as the president acknowledged, hes going to leave if the Electoral College goes, as we all expect it to and i anticipate its going to hatch but its not going to happen but its not going to stop his criticism of the way telex played out. Howie i play another clip, the president talking about the press and the way journalists have covered his postelection battle. Roll it. The media doesnt even want to cover it. Youre doing something. Youre actually very brave because youre doing something the media doesnt want to talk about it. Howie so does donald trump have a point that the media dont want to cover his allegations of massive fraud . Because it seems to me that reporters have gone for the courthouses, covered the cases and overall its gotten a lot of coverage. Your thoughts . He yes, and they have covered the bigger aspects of some of the legal cases and the filings on behalf of the president and his team but what hasnt gotten enough coverage is the more than anecdotal cases of weirdness in certain states and there are people who of feel perhaps disen franchised because they hear stories and im not talking about the big dominion, hugo chavez conspiracy theories. Im talking about the lesser stories, perhaps in the affidavits and maybe that doesnt add up to massive voter fraud, but it does require some investigation in particular states and i hope Investigative Gurjournalists in places like pennsylvania and michigan figure this out so there is confidence in the Election ServiceGoing Forward for the midterms and four years from now. Howie it would be good to have such confidence. Clarence, Maria Bartiromo said the allegations of fraud as laid out by the president are disgraceful. As you know, just to update our audience, last night pennsylvania Supreme Court unanimously ruled against the president s legal team, saying no evidence of fraud and before that three judge Appeals Court panel in philadelphia ruled no evidence of fraud, three republican judges and the opinion was written by a trump appointee. What is the gist of the president s complaint about the press right now . Well, howard, youre right, as President Trump would say and Everybody Knows it, that there have been what was some 30 cases thrown out already. The only case that has any sticking power was one in regard to how far back the judges were from the ballots in terms of how many feet. Thats not massive voting fraud. Thats what the president is alleging constantly, that theres this massive fraud. What he is showing is that he definitely has a sense of entitlement to an election victory even if the votes dont back him up and his supporters appreciate hearing that, it bolsters the idea that this guy couldnt lose unless it was stolen from him. How that translates into his political future, we will see. Howie okay. Ben, we showed some of the thanksgiving News Conference with reporters. It seemed like the press corps couldnt wait to get at President Trump and vice versa, given the three weeks of no engagement. Whats your take on how each side did at that Press Conference . Well, i think the journalists in that situation are very cognizant of how much President Trump has boosted their personal careers. Their interactions with him have become the stuff of viral memes and the like and also have led to significant book and speaking contracts. They have a limited amount of time to really scrap it up with the president in this kind of context and i think they were trying to take advantage of that. Howie youre saying theyre going to miss President Trump . Youre saying theyre going to miss the guy of course theyre going to miss him. Youre going to miss me when im gone is what he should be saying right now we sa. Howie we saw the president snapping at the reuters correspondent. He is a pretty mildmannered guy. Do you think he deserved that Tongue Lashing . They both know what theyre doing. Ben is absolutely right. This has become a Cottage Industry for reporters who covered this president. Its the jim acosta model. You dont have to be long on talent to really turn this into a lucrative career. The window for both of them is closing. The president is going to be president for very long so he has to engage as much as he can and say wait, im the president and the press, theyre not going to have access to joe biden the way they have with this president. So theres never going to be exchanges like that. Its going to be very, very different and probably quite boring covering joe biden for this press pool. Youve got to milk it while you can. Its like being an Instagram Model or tiktok star. You may have many followers now but next week youre going to be a hobo. Howie one of the dilemmas for the media is its a mixed message. A few days ago the president you authorized the gsa to go forward with the biden transition. At the same time on twitter, in an interview like we saw and at the News Conference hes insisting massive fraud, stolen election and all of that. We know which one the press is giving greater weight to. Its not a dilemma for the media, howard. The reporters cover the story, they cover news. Thats their job. Its what theyve been doing. Its President Trump who has given so much color to the News Conference settings that people tune in more if you will. Theres a ratings race. What were the questions they asked . If the Electoral College so rules, will you concede . If that happens, will you a announce candidacy for 2024 . What confidence will the voters have . These are ordinary questions. Its President Trump who gives the colorful answers and thats what really counts here. Thats the way journalism works. Whether the media will remember President Trump or miss him, as i said on your show before, President Trumps is a 3450e med. He will create media on his own. Howie ben, i take your point about theres something in it for both sides during this four actually six year battle between donald trump and the press. From what weve seen in the post election period, do you have any indication that the press is going to be even reasonably truffe on joe biden, tough on joe biden, who does have a less confrontational style, shall we say. The biggest thing i learned about the Incoming Biden Administration this week is they plan to have a pet in the white house. I think that says a lot about the expectation thats are built in here for how the media will treat the howie lets stop right there. Thats a good point. The New York Times and other outlets have stories today about a Cbs Sunday Morning Exclusive that the buy dense will get a bidens will get a cat to join their dogs in the white house. What does that suggest to you . It suggests that this is going to be the tone. Were going to learn about Tony Blinkens ability with the guitar, well learn about how nice these folks are. We will not learn about the Policy Questions that we didnt get answers to during the course of the past elections because of the restrictions and distance joe biden was allowed to have as a candidate. I think thats going to lead to higher levels of distrust in the press as we move forward if you can imagine it, because people do want answers to basic things like what is the biden policy going to be when it comes to reopening schools, how is he achieve that, is that a priority for them . Still major things that we dont know the answers to. Howie on that point, kennedy, were a little short on time. Biden right now is not president so the questions necessarily about what will you do or what will you say, but after january 20th dont you think there will be some toughening up on the part of the press corps, for their own preservation. I think there will be frustration and, again, the New York Times digital subscriptions are up 300 since 2016. So they are going to missio mis. But you have potentially a ton of war mongers who are going to be part of this administration and the press really should be asking questions about what this administration intends to do with regimes like saudi arabia and iraq and libya and syria and other parts of the world that Anthony Blinken has screwed up so far and i dont care about how well he fingers the frets. Howie fair enough. Just to give you an idea of the tone, cnn conducted an interview this morning, said the president is undermining the democratic process, and one time that might have been a question and now its a statement. When we come back, the media uproar over the president s pardon of Michael Flynn and later well check in with frank luntz. Stay with us. [ sneeze ] skip to Cold Relief Fast with Alka Seltzer Plus severe powerfast fizz. Dissolves quickly. Instantly ready to start working. Oh, what a relief it is so fast unlike ordinary memory want supplementster . Neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. Memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. Try our new gummies for 30 days and see the difference. Howie many pundits are Apop Apoplectic about President Trumps pardon of Michael Flynn. Some say flynn has been railroaded. Roger stone had his sentence commuted. Michael flynn got a complete pardon. Why . He fought it, never said anything about trump. Every step along the way donald trump and his cronies misused power to help Michael Flynn escape justice. This is great news. We know he was entrapped by a bunch of people. Flynn was treated differently. They wanted to catch him. They wanted him to make a mistake. We are not a country with two justice system. Howie ben domenech, whether or not you think the fbi had a strong case against mike flynn and he did plead guilty twice, the press is characterizing this as a miscarriage of justice. I do think in this instance theres so much of a Strong Defense to make for Michael Flynn and the way he was treated. If you actually look at the facts of the case and the experience, it was very clear that the fbi really didnt have any kind of sureity that they had caught him in a lie or that he believed he was lying to them. This was technicality that was used as the basis for an investigation that obviously changed the course of Donald Trumps presidency and i think this is kind of a book end to that. I want to give you a perspective on the double Sta Standard Thats involved. John brennan who is the former head of the cia who we know for a fact spied on congress, spied on people over the torture report but he is allowed to come and go free of ramifications for that. Mike flynn is put in the position that hes in and theres a completely different standard in terms of his treatment. This is a case people will look back to and analyze as one that altered the case of this presidency and i think thats something historic in terms of our historic in terms of the double standard people are treated when caught in technicalities. Howie brennan is a cable news contributor. He and his allies would argue he was conducting legitimate investigations and not spying. President trump has the right to use his pardon power. Some of the pundits were saying he was trying to protect himself over of what mike flynn might say. He went through a long russia investigation, because this has to do with the conversation was the former russian ambassador. Does that have any validity. Im one of those that says the russia investigation was legitimate. It made sense. And Michael Flynns behavior was highly questionable and that as we can see even he lied to try to cover it up and thats what he was convicted for. Im not losing any sleep over Michael Flynn. I think most people really care about what this has to say about who else President Trump may pardon. These slow news days around thanksgiving, yes, we are in a holiday weekend, arent we. You asked a lot of questions about whats going to happen in the future. And i think this says a lot about Who Trump Pardons and why. Howie well, let me get to ben on that, because theres been a whole lot of media speculation, when you include the president s commutation of roger stones sentence that hes going to pardon george po papadopoulos, d others. Is there anything to base that on . The president has the capability to pardon anyone he wants. I dont think well see as much of a wave of pardons says on of the media has anticipated. I remember being on this network four years ago right after president obama pardoned the unrrepentant terrorist who has not apologized for his crimes. These pardons almost always end up looking like black marks on peoples records. You recall that bill clinton pardoned as well. In this case, just given the ramifications of this Flynn Investigation on the presidency, that its going to have a little bit of different context. Howie well, clarence, ben took it off my question here. Bill clinton on his last day in office pardoned mark rich, george h w. Bush pardoned Robert Mcfarland who was caught up in the iran contra affair. Its not like modern president s havent done this. Donald trump didnt exactly invent this practice. Well, i mean, the president s right to pardon is beyond question. We can talk about why the framers gave him that right but that right is beyond question. What does it say about the legacy of the president . Thats what we can at a time like this, that the pardons come down. The big question with President Trump which nobodys mentioned was will he pardon himself . Howie thats a legal can of worms. We lost our Video Connection to kennedy. Want to thank her for being on the program, thank you guys as well. Clarence, ben. Up next, how the press is covering the covid surge and the sharply different trump and biden approaches to the pandemic. Howie the coronavirus is continu