Serious lawyer he has the sole distinction of being a political hack. The attack on our nations capitol on january 6th, 2021, was unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy. Since the attack on our capitol, the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. This case has brought consistent with that commitment. Laura ha. Well, by listening to this guy, you would think that trump himself was smashing flew the glass at the capitol that day. That was one of the most item go jake presentations i have ever seen in a high profile Criminal Case anyone who listened to that. Any normal person alleged donalp carried out the capitol riot. In order to get a conviction, he will have to use material, that, in my view, is clearly protected by the First Amendment. Laura now, this case should never survive a motion to dismiss, a motion for summary judgment. But will judge tonya shut kin, an obama judge, ever do the right thing. I want to remind you dont that she worked for Hunter Bidens law firm at one point, boise and schiller. We will have more on that at a later date. But i have my doubts about her. Trump said nothing and did nothing to trigger any criminal charge on january 6th any. His crime was believing and saying that the election was rigged. Thats what they want to send him to jail for. Now, excuse me. How is that any different than when the democrats claimed rigged in 2016 or in 2000 bush v. Gore and why wasnt Stacey Abrams called for calling a fraud geaps governor race. Why today . Why did jack smith decide to hand down this absurd political diatribe today . Oh, im sure the time something purely coincidental. Now, not only is biden at 44 approval, a low now in that new cbs poll, he is plummeting in the polls against trump basically even across the country and trump is dominating meanwhile in the g. O. P. Primary. Doesnt look like anyone is going to be able to stop him right now. After yesterdays Devon Archer Testimony, we now can all see with our own eyes that joe biden is wobbling under the weight of his longstanding corruption. The bidens have been ons take getting rich selling influence and trumps crime is disagreeing with the outcome of an election . Complaining to a governor over the phone, speaking at a rally . This is just another in a long line of political hit jobs under the guise of federal Law Enforcement. We care about the system they have charged grandmothers and Military Vets who merely walked into the capitol through an open door. And they did that to send a message to the public at large. Do not even think about standing up for someone like donald trump again. Dont think about it. We could send you to jail. And now they are indicting a former president of the United States to protect biden and the entire d. C. Establishment from scrutiny. The doj does not care about what is happening in this country right now. Where real crime is running wild or chinese spies are calling all over the place. They dont bring the same fanfare, the same emotion to tackling Human Trafficking or the fentanyl explosion. Jack smith and Merrick Garland have one overriding goal, dragging the decrepit joe biden across the finish line in the next election and, yes, by any means necessary. The doj is effectively the Biden Campaign headquarters at this point. They have nothing else. Of course he is not going to run the Traditional Campaign or really Campaign Like we have gotten used to serious candidates campaigning. He can barely stay awake during a podcast. If the doj can actually get away with this, then anyone whoever speaks out against the d. C. Establishment and does so forcefully, anyone who takes a stand on issues from china to the border, to trade, they are all vulnerable. Now, thomas is i joked yesterday that it would help desantis if he got indicted i will tell you tonight if it looked like desantis was close to beating trump, he would be indicted. They can swamp you with legal bills. Maybe desantis sending migrants to california. He kidnapped them. I could see that being charged. Look, they can harass a poor 54yearold Building Manager at maralago as they did last night or the personal valet of donald trump in an effort to squeeze the whole process. And squeeze out some type of cooperation from those two people. They dont have any money. They dont have any status. But they can be targets just like anyone else. Look, as i see this, if this is allowed to stand, this is not your country anymore. Because, look, as far as theyre concerned, the establishment, the populist, they got to be in charge from 2017 to 2021. And the swamp intends that never happens again. They will not let it happen again. So, no. I do not take any of this document seriously tonight. Because these people are not serious. Theyre frauds. And this document is designed to do one thing and one thing only, drive trump out of the race so they can move on to their next victim. Joining me now is timothy par la tore former attorney for donald trump and Timothy Tolman former u. S. Attorney. As an attorney and a member of two different bars, i am disgusted tonight reading this indictment. Am i wrong in feeling like this is a prosecution of a political disagreement and a political opponent going into a president ial election . Reading that indictment the thing that jumped out of me is exactly that they are not citing anywhere where he admits what he was saying was false only what january 6th tried to do he received advice from some people and received advice from other people that contradicted that so he should have decided to follow the people that we agree with. And so, how you can then spin that into actual knowledge that these claims are forever false, i dont think you can get to that point. It really is all about what his State Of Mind is and the indictment was somewhat underwhelming on that point to me. Laura well, underwhelming, i dont know what document you read, tim, but i think its beyond underwhelming. This i read a lot of indictments in my day, and serious cases involving White Collar Criminal my old life, bret, what am i missing here . Donald trump thought the election was rigid. We all know it he said it forever. Now that eventually is a federal crime. Really . You know, laura, when you watch a hollywood movie where they are portraying some fantastic amazing athlete but they are using an actor who just doesnt have the right swing or cant make the jump shot . That is what this prosecutor is and that is what this indictment is. It is cringey. Its so tough for me having drafted these, presented these to grand juries to sit and watch him manipulate and the legal wrangling that he has to go through in this document to actually criminalize thought, criminalize legal advice. Criminalize a legal position and a strategy whether they are right or wrong that they had believing that this election was rigged. And so you dont see any reference to mens rea, their criminal intent, because they cant put it in the document. They cant find criminal intent in donald trump or any of these four lawyers, political consultant, and a civil lawyer in doj. Those are the coconspirator in this case. Well, tim, msnbc is trying to frame this as a moment where america is at a crossroads. But for another reason than we are. Watch. It is one of the biggest cases ever in the history of the United States. It is up there with dred scott. It is up there with brown vs. Board of education, because it goes to who we are as a people. And jack smith today did something to restore confidence in the rule of law in unimaginable ways. Laura tim, that is the former Solicitor General for the obama administration. Thats the individual who argued cases before the Supreme Court. So his point is because its historic it must be good. Well talk about that legal analysis for a moment. Well, first of all, neil cat tall is a liar. When i went on msnbc after the Trump Indictment maralago and talked about prosecutorial misconduct. Because he didnt want to address the substance of those arguments, he lied. He made up court cases and said this was already rejected by the appellate courts. So for him to have any credibility whatsoever when talking about donald trump, to me is completely shot i dont think he read that indictment before he made those statements. When you look at this thing, they are talking about how you have to find that he had knowledge and, yet, jack smith hasnt even his team has not even finished their investigation. They havent interviewed some of the most key witnesses on that point. They rushed to an indictment this week. Laura bingo. Until waiting until later this month when they actually finished their investigation. Whether thats because of hunter biden or whether he was afraid that fanny willis was going to beat him to the punch, either way he brought a sloppy indictment before he finished an investigation. Laura i mean, bret brett, speaking of have no credibility the former fbi director andy mccabe was on the other networks. This was his analysis of the indictment. All conspiracy statutes, so they require that the person charged entered into an agreement with another person to commit the criminal act and then, of course, executed at least one act in furtherance of that agreement. A majority of House Republicans vote toed disenfranchise the voters of pennsylvania and arizona. If you indicted in this case, im not sure we will but if you do it will be someone who just went beyond their vote in congress. Laura bret, they are now at the point where they are not going to try to just put trump in jail, but, i guess, a member of congress who supported donald trump. Do we see where this is going . Thats what they want. Thats right. Thats what they want. They want to go after politicians. They want to go after anybody that disagrees with them. You look at section 241, thats the charge they are bringing, a civil rights claim against him and thats their conspiracy . That charge, in the language of the statute says a conspiracy to injure another who is trying to assert their constitutional you know, to exercise their constitutional rights. That does not apply here, but they dont care. They know they can get the indictment and then they can pursue the case and get the objective that they have in place i mean, this thing is not just weak, but there are problems when, you know, i agree with what you said, laura, this is a motion to dismiss, which is rare in a Criminal Case. Laura right. They didnt present any of the evidence that might have been exculpatory to the grand jury; instead, they ramrodded this through. I cant wait to see what happens to them in court. It might be at the appellate level. Laura yeah. Well, tim, can you speak to that for a moment that a motion to dismiss in this case because to survive a motion to dismiss, what does this prosecutor have to have established in that indictment . Well, he has to establish that he has evidence of every single element of that crime. And so. Laura right. Who knows what they presented to that grand jury. The big problem is that prosecutors they dont have to present everything to the grand jury. If you have 20 witnesses saying it didnt happen and only one who said it did. You can just put that one witness in. We are kind of seeing that here because they havent interviewed the most important witnesses on that key element of knowledge. They waited until after the indictment to even have those interviews scheduled. So are they going to then go back to the grand jury and say hey, sorry, we didnt give you everything, heres a lot more information . I very much doubt it. I think they are going to have issues of brady violations with the Withholding Lawyer exculpatory information. Absolutely. Its a mess. Heres the other thing, a case of this magnitude is going to go on long past the election. Laura i love he goes well, we seek a speedy trial. Former president of the United States tied at the very least tied with biden right now no, we got get a speed from trial. Is he kidding me . Im just going to Say Something im not supposed to say on tv. Is that in and of itself was a laughingstock line tonight. Especially since, laura, they waited two and a half years to bring the case. Now hurry up and give me my 70 days. Laura exactly. All right, tim and brett, stay there. We will be back to you in a few moments. I want to remind everyone, again, we have been talking about the timing tonight. So on june 8th, the fbi released documents to Congress Alleges the biden took the 10 million bribe from burisma well, the next day, after that, the same jack smith indicted former President Trump in the maralago documents case. Then on july 26th, hunter biden Sweetheart Deal blew up when it was revealed that the doj tried to protect him and give him immunity from future prosecutions which was completely ridiculous. Then the next day, again, jack smith added more charges against trump in the documents case and what is called a superseding indictment. Are you with me on the pattern mere . Then yesterday former biden Business Partner devon archer told the Oversight Committee joe biden was on 20 phone calls with his sons Business Partners and that in fact burisma execs were on the phone calls as well. And helped with, you know, they wanted hunters help in pressuring washington to fire that ukrainian prosecutor who at the time was investigating burisma. So thats what we learned in that. And then, just like clockwork, once again, today we get the latest indictment related to january 6th. Joining us now house Oversight Committee chair james comer. Congressman, are the American People at this point supposed to suspend all belief and common sense and think that this is all just a series of coin kansas denseness these charging documents, in the timing of it . I think the American People see whats going on. Whether or not this is a weaponized departments of justice trying to divert attention away from Biden Corruption or whether they are trying to take out their chief top political opponent in the upcoming election, the American People see through this. This is a sad day for the rule of law and sad day for the Justice System in america. Laura right now we see that they are charging him with two counts of conspiracy. That require an intent that in the document, as i read it, has no evidence of intent they are withholding it from him if they have that evidence. But i dont see it in that document. Mens rea required under the statute,period. Thats right. As someone paying close attention to both of these investigations but can i tell you with confidence there is whole lot more evidence out there donald trump committing crimes. Thats a fact and i think, laura, the American People see that. To say that jack smith has overwhelming evidence that donald trump was the person that was behind the january 6th attack on the capitol and say there is no evidence that would show joe biden had any knowledge of thinks family receiving millions and millions of dollars from all these foreign nationals that we now know joe biden had spoken to or had dinner with or been or met with or messaged . I think thats preposterous. I think the American People see through. This i think that every time donald trump gets indicted from this point on, he is going to see a bump in the polls. He is going to see increase in fundraising. I think what jack smith is doing is having Unintended Consequences for what their ultimate goal is and thats to take donald trump out. Or wound him grievously they think. Wound him, force him to raise money or spend money to pay for all these legal bills. And congressman, the indictment sounded at one point when you are reading it like they were describing some of the acts of the Biden Administration that you have been documenting. Saying that faith because we see that faith in every institution has collapsed under democrat rule, including the Supreme Court military. So prosecutors claim in the indictment that for the two months after the election of 2020 trump spread lies to create an Intense National atmosphere of mistrust and anger and erode public faith in the administration of the election. Well, the Biden Administration does nothing but spread lies and distrust in public institutions. I mean, thats what they do on a daily basis. I feel like someone broke into our notes on the Oversight Committee and plagiarized them. Only they put them down for donald trump instead of joe biden. I mean, its a joke. Its an absolute joke. The damage that joe biden has done to our system of government is irreparable. And americans have no confidence in the department of justice. They have no confidence in the fbi. Theyre losing confidence every day in the entire government and thats not a good thing. They have no confidence in the irs. We got change that and all that joe biden is doing every day and Merrick Garland every day is making a bad situation worse. Laura they dont care. They dont care. They want to win and have selfpreservation thats the ultimate goal for the deep state in washington, d. C. That selfpreservation and donald trump stands in the way of