Stretched these statutes in order to try to capture this behavior. Laura for me the words farcical. Ridiculous, abusive those words came to mind. But, after going over the document for the second time earlier today i realized its far worse than any of that what jack smith and his boss Merrick Garland are doing not just to trump, but to the nation Going Forward is devastating. Now, the doj, the white house, every member of Congress Knows the truth. The rag tag group of maga supporters who busted into the capitol on january 6th it no meaningful effect on the democratic process on that day. Only propagandists could call it an insurrection. After all, the election was certified and Donald Trump Left Office on january 20th. The real conspiracists working to deprive people of their rights are found at the department of justice. And their Press Spokesman include news anchors, reporters, and pundits across the regime media. I think the sum total of their knowledge about law and history seems to be whatever they remember from the lyrics of the Broadway Musical hamilton. Its about the office. This is not just about donald trump. As i was washington this morning look over mt. Vernon. George washington left the white house. Left the presidency after two terms. That was the plan, the model. So its about more than donald trump. George washington teaching him thousand say goodbye. John adams lost and he also taught everybody when you lose, you go quietly. Really fundamental question. Laura im glad she liked play. Now, not wanting to leave politics apparently is a bases for a federal crime. Are you listening to these people . Has anyone by the way told nancy pelosi and dick durbin about this . The bottom line is this trump was charged with two counts of conspiracy and two counts of obstruction of an official proceeding for adopting and pressing an unconventional and controversial legal view. That the electors in this president ial race could be replaced with new electors. Well, the indictment, according to that analysis is, a complete sham. If this is how low the bar is set Going Forward, then smith and garland and every prosecutor who pushed this fraud of a case should all expect to face similar treatment to what theyre putting trump through. In indictment the drama queens in smiths office claim that trump was determined to remain in power in conspiracies that targeted a Bedrock Function of the United States federal government. The nations process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the president ial election. Now, again, by this same logic, an aggressive republican lawyer could argue that the biden prosecutors themselves are the ones currently conspiring to target a Bedrock Function of the u. S. Government. In this case, the 2024 president ial election. I have another question here. Why did it take jack smiths office two years or so to file this indictment . Well, we all know why, dont we . Because its a political weapon that is most effectively used as the 2024 campaign is just heating up. But hell will have no fury like a republican controlled doj after this fiasco. Im telling you that. But journalists who know better, they are so overcome with tld, trump loathing disorder, that they dont even notice the irony and the double standard staring them in the face. In this conspiracy, this series of conspiracies, one of them was to defraud the United States and the ability for the Electoral System to count these votes. The conspiracy to impede the ceremonial function of congress to certify the vote. And then, of course, to the conspiracy to deny the rights of americans to have their votes be counted. Laura does he not hear the words coming out of his own mouth . With their relentless and baseless persecution of trump using these wild legal theories, garland and smith, they are the ones seeking to deny voters of their right to vote for the candidate of their choosing, in this case, donald trump. And for that matter, why shouldnt President Biden and his pals face the same fate after he leaves office . Because, again, we are just applying their standard. The jack smith standard of criminal federal prosecution, apply that here and one could argue that joes lies about not knowing hunters foreign clients and the doj slowwalking the Hunter Biden Investigation both of those things altered the democratic process. How, you might ask . By Depriving Voters of material facts that they needed before the election. Im telling you plenty of possibilities for unindicted coconspirator there so you see where this is all going to lead, right . A never ending carousel of prosecutions by one party in power against the party out of power. Talk about corrosive. America starts looking more like pakistan or, i dont know, venezuela . From time to time america faces threats from monsters who want to destroy our democracy. Pearl harbor, 1941, 9 11, 2001, donald trump just like those other threats to american democracy, tried to destroy our system. Rule of law is powerful. It can prevail. It can preserve democracy if this trial is allowed to reach a firm conclusion. This will be a vindication of the constitution democracy. And i think, also, a factbased government. Laura once again, bidens henchmen arent defenders of democracy. They are offenders of democracy. The dojs goal here is very clear you get in our way, you threaten to root out d. C. Corruption and we will do whatever it takes to destroy you by using the full force of the federal Law Enforcement against you. And if that requires Twisting Precedent or dispensing with real evidence of intent, or applying rarely used interpretations of statutes, so be it and we will brings that case before a liberal judge in a democrat district and the fix will be in. And all the while, the country becomes further divided and more disgusted. And the rest of the world starts thinking that our democracy is a joke. Auto crautocrats said say we tou so. Follow us because america is done. Whatever you think about the reasoning of trumps legal team back before january 6th, regarding the seating of the electors, the certification of the vote, it doesnt matter because we dont live in a country where disagreements about politics or the law, land you before a federal grand jury or bankrupt you. Or at least i didnt think we lived in that type of a country. Until yesterday. Thanks, jack. And thats the angle. Me now is mike davis article three project and david schoen former trump impeachment lawyer. Mike, im watching larry tribe in our arrange gel, basically the inventor of the novel, you know, controversial legal theory that gets shot down left and right and now thats apparently a federal crime. Yeah. I mean, i didnt realize that objecting to elections was a felony in the United States of america, at least it wasnt in 1968, 2,000, 2004, and 2016 when democrats objected to. Laura or Stacey Abrams. Or Stacey Abrams. Its just unreal what Merrick Garland and jack smith are doing here. They are leading america into a very, very dangerous place. Laura it was easy yesterday well this is ridiculous and throw up your hands. This is typical. The more i thought of it, when i really played it out in my mind 10, 15 years from now, this puts us on a Collision Course with the real rule of law and the equal application of justice, the principles that really are the bedrock of our country. You know, laura, i hope that people will play your monologue today over and over and over again. You hit on the key points. For me, as a criminal and civil rights lawyer for a long time, Criminal Defense Lawyer and civil rights lawyer for a long time and i also do a lot of election voting right and Ballot Access work. Aclu hired me to represent Shelby County vs. Holder. I take these things very seriously. This indictment is written for public consumption and try to get before a d. C. Jury and for political reasons and no other reason. Hour dare they criminalize as you say disagreements over election practices. The Election Laws in this country are in array for a number of reasons. One of the leading and most respected Election Law Experts in the country has said and certainly not a trump supporter, over and over again the Electoral Counteract is impossible to understand. And that anyone who believes they really understand what the Vice President s role was with respect to Electoral Counteract doesnt know what theyre talking about. You can be sure and a defense to thistothis case will be, President Trump believed and believes in his Heart And Soul that the election was stolen from him and from the 75 Million People or more who voted for him. And that he had an obligation to stand up for it. You canning also believe for sure that he was advised every step of the way by people he understood to be experts. Thats at the heart of trying to criminalize Something Like this. Thats all i have to say about that. Laura conflicting legal opinions. I mean, because that never happens in washington where one side argues one thick and the other side argues the other. Mike, cnn thinks it can basically no phi trumps First Amendment rights by framing the whole thing as the need to root out corruption. Watch this. He tried to corrupt the institution of government. He tried to do that through trying to corrupt the institution of the Justice Department, to try to get the Justice Department to take official action. Tried to get State Legislatures to take actual actions tried to use the authority of the institution of the Vice President of the United States mike. Laura mike, whats the reasoning . Whats the legal precedent for the Corruption Argument . Thats a very good question, laura. Jack smith is a political hit man sent in to take out republican president ial candidates like he did with Virginia GovernorBob Mcdonnell back before 2016. He was overturned unanimously by the Supreme Court 80. It would have been 9 to nothing but Justice Scalia passed away. Its hard to get a criminal conviction overturned. He did it unanimously. Thats where this is heading. Again, the problem is the Supreme Court probably will not take this case before the 2024 president ial election. Laura the key to the prosecution here he chimed in today on this indictment. Watch. I cant assess whether or not the government has the evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what they assert in the indictment. I want people to know that i had no right to overturn the election. Sadly, the president was surrounded why a Grouch Crackpof crackpot lawyers that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear. Our country is more important than any one man. Your reaction to that . Mike pence has made clear that he doesnt believe there was a criminal act committed either. Thats the fundamental heart of this. We have charged here a criminal offenses. Thats an abuse of the system. Thats not how we operate. Again, when laws are in disarray, like these are, one cant have notice of what would be criminal conduct in this case. Again, people may disagree with his methodology but he tried to go through whats clear is he tried to go through the Legal Mechanism he understood applied. You can be hauer donald trump didnt come up with the idea of electors and whether there can be alternative and so on. Do you think donald trump was aware 29 states as well as the district of many Colombia Biden their electors to the vote . Im not pence bashed trump over the indictment. But i think what he was saying is i dont know about intent but i was right on the constitutional matter. Thats fine. He might think he is right. Trump might think hes right. But thats not a crime. So i think mike pences comment helps trump oddly in this. Do you agree with me on that. I do agree. I would also say this. Any republican politician who thinks what Merrick Garland and jack smith are doing here is justified, have disqualified themselves from election to office. Laura mike pence is not going anywhere. He is in single digits. He might not make the debate stage. Thank you both. Thank you. Laura attorney john eastman thought to be one of the cospirits in jack smiths indictment and attempt to have him barred. His lawyer is here next and tell us why his client will never plead guilty. You dont want to miss it, next. Laura i dont know, anderson, did you clerk on the Supreme Court . Oh, wait, you didnt. The media can mock John EastmansCriminal Theory all they want. The issue is criminality. Eastman made an argument i wouldnt have made but one i disagreed with at the time and disagree with now but its not a criminal act to have a novel legal theory about something. Even if its about Something Like the electors and the constitution. Advice given from an attorney used to be sacrosanct and it usually falls under the attorneyclient privilege. But this is just another norm that the left will sacrifice on the altar of getting trump. Telling fox news that he believes eastman is one of the cospirits in the latest Trump Indictment but that he will never plead guilty to this anything related to this we are going to take this to trial. Joining me now is that attorney cocounsel sill for john eastman harvey. Harvey, good to see you dont. What makes you so confident in your case . Well, because the eastman advice was in the realm of good faith legal advice. It was certainly cutting edge. It was creative but, you know, thats what good lawyers are supposed to do. And eastmans advice was perfectly within the realm of good faith legal advice. I dont have any doubt about it. Im sure we can get experts to testify to that, if necessary. If eastman is charged, he is going to trial. If is he convicted, he is going to appeal. We will never ever make a deal. Laura well, i dont understand. Their argument is that he was facilitating a crime with the advice . And, obviously, their interpretation of these statutes and the application of the statutes themselves are novel legal theories without really clear intent established. So theyre guilty of the standard that theyre applying to trump and eastman, i guess, and the others. Its crazy. This whole thing has become so politicized that its not even funny. It is a blot on the department of justice, in my view. I dont think. Laura but the president now is not allowed to rely he is not a lawyer, trump, obviously. But he is apparently Going Forward. President s arent allowed to rely on one group of lawyers if they disagree with whatever the media or democrats think are the better group of lawyers. To me, again, how is that a Legal Standard for criminality, a group of lawyers that disagreed with each other. Whats happened is all of this has become highly politicized and this is the most politicized indictment that i can remember in my 50plus years of being a criminal defense and Civil Liberties lawyer. And i think that the courts are not going to fall for it. If theres its always possible every so often you can get a District Court judge who will go with any theory. But, ultimately, its going to be the Appellate Courts and we dont have any real fear that eastman is going to be convicted in the end. Its going to be a long, painful expensive process if they indict him. I hope they dont. By the way, we are early next week john burr maam, who is the chief counsel, he brought me into the case and i are sending a memorandum to the department of justice arguing, explaining in law why this would not be a proper indictment. We are giving away our defenses but we are that confident in our case keep them from indicting him. Harvey, they are also trying to disbar john eastman. Now, offering a legal theory that the establishment doesnt like is now grounds again, i didnt happen to agree with his legal reaching but its something you can argue and now that is a ground for disbarment so you can no longer practice law . Let me telling tell you something about the disbarment. What is being done in california is shameful. The reasonable is this. Mind you, i did not vote for donald trump. This is not a partisan argument. Im sort of a libertarian liberal. Thats my politics. Insteadying of waiting for the Court Process looking to disbar and take away his ability to fund his own defense in the criminal case. Do you see what im saying . Laura yeah. So thats a shameful Political Development in california. All around, there are very few people with any when its over somebod