Believe we are still living in the United States. The america i grew up in was a place we dont put our political opponents in prison, we let Voters Decide who is best to lead the nation. Nor did we politicize differences, that is what they do in. A Russian Court finding him guilty of founding and funding extremist organization. Laura after i read the latest indictment of trump, i found myself asking, how can we really say that were any better than what were seeing in old former soviet union . Well get to the legal farce that is the indictment in a moment. Right now, all of you need to know something important about the liberal da in Fulton County, fani willis. After dragging this out for 21 2 years, she was suddenly in this huge rush, desperate to get the indictment out there, so much so, she took the rare step of keeping a new grand jury after regular business hours. She did this for one reason and one reason only, for Maximum Pr Effect in prime time, no less. I cant believe this. This is not the circumstances i expected to be talking to. Nor me, rachel. It is always good to talk to you, but i didnt think it would be under these circumstances, yet another set of indictments. This is trumps nightmare. He wants to be it is only arbitor of truth. Instead of Coasting Back in, he is facing jail time in different places, crazy. It may be the first indictment carrying anything requiring mandatory minimum sentence. Laura lawyers, i know. We all know and they all know issue the goal here is not justice. The goal is to take donald trump out of political contention in attempt to throw the 2024 election to biden, to a man who is deteriorating in realtime before our eyes. If donald trump announced he had problem with the election, but he is retiring from politics back in 2021, none of these indictments would have happened at all. Instead, theyd be focusing on investigating ron desantis on some bogus grounds. There is literally no sdripg to adequately capture what a pandoras box of horror democrats have opened up here. When political prosecutors are on a wildeyed hunt for a former president and top advisors, a precedent has been set. With dirty work from alvin bragg to fani willis, no stepping back from this precipice now. The case boils down to criminalizing of aggressive lawyering. People like john eastman, offer the president a novel and controversial approach to challenging the electoral process and President Trump agreed to follow their advice. Willis charged them all with an array of state crimes. Regime media help said in the leadup to this with clever branding of the legal conclusions. Tentacles from former President Trumps big lie from the election continuing to squeeze american society. This all started with a big lie. Trumps lie about massive voter fraud in the 2020 election. Trumps Big Lie Damaging Democracy and embedded in the gop party platform. That hearing is supposed to center on trumps big lie about the election and the people who helped foster it and pedal it. How do you think trumps big lie continues to live on . Laura no matter what your view on the lack outcome, the ultimate big lie, you can seek to criminalize political opposition and not create a really painful boomerang effect. Willis chose to charge trump and 18 others under rico act is another tale, it is dramatic. Fulton county grand jury returned a true bill of indictment, charging 19 individuals with violations of georgia law arising from a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 president ial election in this state. Laura shes prime time, of course shes going to get hair and makeup, shes prime time. If you dont agree with legal analysis of the trump team postelection, the idea requesting new slate of electors can result to criminal conduct is obscene. Ditto for President Trump saying find me 11,000 votes, that is criminal . As if similar lines were not uttered by officials watching the protrump early election return on november 3, 2020. Find me early votes. If agresively challenging outcome of an election is somehow a state or federal crime, i have a question tonight. Where is the indictment against this woman . This is not a speech of concession. It was not a free and fair election, the machinery had broken. If it looks like it is rigged, it probably is. I didnt lose, we got the votes, they cheated. I have one affirmative statement to make. We won. Laura if Organized Effort to challenge Ballot Counting can result to conspiracy to subvert democracy, should george bush and al gore be slapped after the 2000 recount . What this fullcourt press against trump guarantees is during every Election Cycle for the foreseeable future, there will be some urging the party in power to seek indictments against leading candidate of the other party. It is excessive and i think it is also dangerous and criminalizes challenges to elections. There is no limiting principle in this document. We often, if not always have challenge, some are more supported than others. They are not crimes, they are seeking judicial review, ensuring public there is someone watching over the elections. Laura how can it be untested application of laws by prosecutors against a political opponent are celebrated, even when they impact the future election as this could in 2024. When republican lawyer Working For Trump advance aggressive, novel legal theories, they are all indicted. I know a lot of people say this to me, they wonder why better people dont go into politics . With all this, you see the reason why. They dont want anyone to work for a republican issue let alone run for office. Politicians stretch the truth all the time with theories while representing clientses, this happens regularly. That is the way it has been. Bill clinton committed perjury while president , he wasnt indicted, you didnt need a legal theory. And chose not to convict hillary clinton. You dont try to remove a political candidate by indictment in a political fight, you let Voters Decide. From all rhetoric from the left about how this is effort to protect democracy, why cant trumps team have legitimately believed that it was they in seeking State Challenge to outcome, they were protecting democracy to make sure every vote was counted and fraudulent ones, they believe, werent. Recall problems in so many states, Election Laws were changed in the 11th hour to help democrats with lawyers testing legal view that because of the covid pandemic, every voter needed access to mailin ballot, drop boxes, extend hours, etcetera, was that novel and unusual . You bet it was. Be clear, this may be the last indictment of trump, it wont be the last indictment of its type. This will repeat itself any Type A Conservative who rattles the cage gets too close to winning. This should be a wakeup call to serious republicans, you will be in the cross hairs next, well ask Governor Desantis about this later in the hour. You might be saying the following, okay, if they get away with this witch hunts, well do the same thing next time to get power. Sorry, even if a Republican Attorney general wanted to play corrosive games against a candidate, the fbi and career staff of the d. O. J. Would resist and make it impossible virtually. This dynamic will always and only work one way, to disenfranchise voters across america who would like to vote for the conservative candidate of their choosing. It is the ultimate in election interference through corrupt venal indictment . Who are defenders of democracy again . That is the angle. Joining me now is josh hawley. Senator, this sets us on a precipice for, i think, a very, very dangerous period in our society and our elector at processes. At this point, the Fulton County da indicated that they will seek higher bonds against any defendants convicted and processing would include mug shots. What does that tell you here . What this tells me, this is latest effort to keep the ruling party in power, that is what this is about. This is indictment what, 200 . There may be more indictments to come. This is effort by ruling parties, the Democratic Party to make sure anybody who criticizes them gets indicted and it is not just trump, it is catholics who had parishes infiltrated and had swat teams sent to their door and protested peacefully and had fbi show up at their door, it was parents labeled terrorists. I never thought we would see this. We have seen it all. If you challenge the ruling parties, ruling elite, they will use force of law against you thchl is crossing a rubicon, defeat this attempt to rig an election in realtime. They are making sure there is only one outcome in 2024 and it is the democrat winning. Laura i dont think they would have a problem with a different republican, like a mitt romney style republican, he wouldnt rattle the cage like trump, desantis, maybe Glenn Youngkin or vivek ramaswamy, someone like that. This is message to anyone who would even think for working for a conservative administration Going Forward. Dont you agree . If you can get indicted as a lawyer, giving untested legal theory to a president or urging action not taken before post election, but Theory Number of peep elt agree with, some dont, all bets are off. Why go into Government Service . Absolutely, the message they are sending loud and clear, dont go after us. Trump challenged them, he challenged prowar policy and on ukraine and globalist agenda that ripped off the working class, hollowed out this country and made workers slaves compared to china and other nations that have taken away jobs and technology. Trump challenged that. If you challenge them on this stuff, if you challenge them on policies they hold dear, they will come after you. If you challenge them on their proabortion religion, they will come after you. The message is real clear, dont challenge us. Dont go to work for anybody who will challenge us. Dont vote for donald trump or anybody like him, or we will treat you as a domestic terrorist. This is recipe for oneparty rule in this country, if that is the case, this is not the United States of america anymore, Constitutional Authority does not exist anymore. Laura as noted, fani willis indicted handful of lawyers Working For Trump for offering legal argument to the president. How dangerous precedence does this set . Here is sol wisenberg. Couldnt this just chill the future work for a republican in any aspect of Government ServiceGoing Forward given people like Jeffrey Clark. Jeffrey clark is indicted here . One of the most respected, brilliant legal minds, john eastman, clerk for a Supreme Court justice. People might disagree with their theories, but what . Interesting you mention Jeffrey Clark and i know this from sources i absolutely trust, high inside the Justice Department during this period after the election. Jeffrey clark absolutely believed that the election was stolen. Now why is that important . Because you have to have a certain level of intent. There are allegations people knowingly stated lies and falsehoods. More importancely, you have Jeffrey Clark, president ially appointed and confirmed by the senate and head of Civil Division of d. O. J. , went to harvard and Georgetown Law School and he is telling the president that the election has been stolen and the department of justice can do something about it and other equally prominent lawyers agree with him. Other lawyers on the, side are saying you cant do that. Is the president , for picking one set of lawyers over the other is a criminal . Hes got, at least on this part of the indictment, the former president has very good potential attorney reliance defense. To your other point, that is problem with this indictment and the jack smith indictment in d. C. There are narrow allegations and discreet allegations in the georgia indictment that are potentially very dangerous for certain defendants. What is so disturbing about these two indictments, d. C. And georgia, is how much traditionally protected speech is referenced in the indictment and considered to be part of criminal activity, that is what i find disturbing. Laura mark meadows was not mentioned in the jack smith indictment. In the atlanta federal indictment, but mentioned as a codefendant in the Rico Conspiracy by fani willis. He has now moved to change the venue to Federal District court out of Fulton County. Is that a legitimate claim he has here given the parallel tracks they are moving in with smith and willis . I think it is a very viable claim. Its certainly not frivolous. It is legitimate. It is based on a federal statute that says if you sue or indict at the state level, somebody based upon their actions in federal office, that can be grounds for removal. I think that is a very valid point to raise and it can be raised by President Trump, as well. If you will notice, that is one reason that willis added charges from september of 2021, so she could say this goes beyond when he was president. Clearly the bulk of abivity alleged against the former president , based on his activity in office. I think it is quite possible. Laura sol, you can indict president s for lying and lawyers for giving aggressive advice, this is a new world in politics and the law. Great to see you. Coming up, Governor Ron Desantis will join us live at the end of the show with his thoughts on this and more. First, what do we need to know about this da, fani willis. Marjorie Taylor Greene and buddy carter are here next and they have a lot to say. Ow uh oh. You, ok . No. I mean yeah. Just hit my melon. Yikes should we see a doctor . I cant tell a doctor i slipped on a toy. Im a triathlete i had a concussion. Most happen doing ordinary things. Sometimes the tough thing to do is to get help to prevent serious damage. I like your sensitive side. Dont mess with your melon. If you hit it, get it checked. Laura here now with the view from georgia, tell us more about da fani willis, congresswoman marjorie Taylor Greene and congressman buddy carter. Congressman, you are demanding an investigation into this indictment on what grounds . Absolutely. Obviously, this is drummed up charges, first of all. There are 159 counties in the state of georgia. If you ask me where did indictment result from . I would have told you Fulton County. These drummed up charges here. We have a former president indicted by a system that is weighed against him. No one is above the law, we understand this, but this is about revenge, not about justice. Laura former Lieutenant Governor now works for cnn and let slip what this is about. President trump did most damage in georgia, he sucked morality and fiscal responsibility out of the republican party, sucked winning percentage out of the republican party, he took everything from us and it is our turn to take it back. Laura congresswoman, that is the funniest thing i have heard in politics. Take it back, we have to take it back, wow. Okay. Yeah, who does he take he is taking it back from . The American People that voted for President Trump in Record Numbers . President trump got the most amount of republican votes for any president ial candidate in history. On behalf of people in georgia, i want everyone to know, we dont listen to a word jeff duncan has to say, as a matter of fact, nobody cares what he has to say except the viewers on cnn. Laura this idea, congressman, you can politicalize opposition, aggressive legal theory, challenges State Election Law on how it was determined in the 11th hour in some states, that is now a crime . That will only go one way and be used against America First republicans. Absolutely. That is a valid point you make there. Why shouldnt we be questioning it . Lets not forget this is not the first time elections have been questioned. First time Stacey Abrams ran for governor, she was questioning and alleging inkconsistencies ad it was stolen from her. She said that, was she indicted . No, shes not been indicted. There is double standard, Justice System for those named Clinton And Biden and for everyone else and that is sad State Of Affairs for us. Laura yeah, congresswoman, there is credible evidence that the biden family was pedalling influence, maybe takes bribes when he was Vice President and everyone is you cant connect the dot and here we have people making legal claim and the president taking their advice, political trash talk that happens all the time and that is a crime and the Biden Family Crime Syndicate get away with it . That is right, conspiracy, racketeering and rico charges and we are seeing the democrats all the way down to state daytime emmys conspiring to stop