Howard Stormy Daniels told her tale about donald trump with a whole lot of details, his silk pajamas later replaced by a tshirt and boxers to convince the jury that the One Night Stand he denies actually happened. But while most liberal pundits hailed her account, The Adult Film Star also acknowledged lying under an nda in exchange for a 130,000 payoff shortly before the 2016 election. Quote, i could not tell my story, he could not tell his story, we had to pretend we didnt know each other. There were plenty of exchangings that undercut daniels credibility as conservative pun if admits were quick to observe and while some professed dog almost fainting over the tawdry testimony, about the most explicit phrase she used was missionary position. If. Stormy daniels took the Stand Today Serving Up Salacious testimony that the judge somehow allowed. This is when the media who gave us lewinsky, me too and the pee tape we tends to be prude. Howard daniels described briefly blacking out when the moment came at trumps lake that the hoe golf event is. Wait, a woman whos paid to have sex with hundreds of men had no idea what he might have wanted . I felt the room spin in slow motion. I felt the blood basically leave my hands, she testified, and there was an imBalance Of Power, for sure. He was bigger and blocking the way. But stormy said trump never threaten thed her or explained why she quickly took off a her clothes for the brief encounter. And get this, daniels twice sought out trump the following year because he had floated putting her on the apprentice. On crossexamination, daniels admitted she hates trump, that she absolutely wants to see him behind bars if hes convicted and that she owes him 400,000 for her failed defamation suit, so a very stormy day for ms. Daniels. And dont forget, the crime the d. A. Alvin bragg is alleging here is not having sex, but falsifying expense if records. After the days testimony, the former president spoke to reporters. Finish. A very revealing day as you see the case is totally falling apart. They have nothing on books and records and even something that should bear very little relationship to the case is just a disaster for the d. A. A. Howard but that will ultimately be up to the jury. Im howard kurtz and this is mediabuzz. Howard when it comes to the commentators, its almost like they were watching two different hush money trials. The court case is really about convincing jurors that trump is a bad guy for sleeping around. Its not about breaking laws, because no laws were broken. If trump were a woman, the prosecution would be accused of slut shaming. It was, again, something that needed to be said because if you didnt have that testimony, then why in the hell would donald trump be so desperate to keep it silenced . Another disgraceful chapter in this kang can radiocourt. Kangaroo court. Porn star Stormy Daniels took the stand for no apparent reason other than to embarrass donald trump. If youre calling her a liar and saying this never happened, i think the prosecution has a right to be able to try and and prove that shes telling the truth. Howard joining us now to analyze the coverage, guy benson, host of the Guy Benson Show On Fox Radio and the podcast, and in phoenix, lucy caldwell, an adviser to renewed democracy. Guy, im sure some of daniels testimony was embarrassing the donald trump. But the consensus, with some exemptions among the journalists, is that she didnt get roughed up herself x that seems to me at least to be off the mark. Hey, howie. Well, yeah. There was the actually a piece really useful i saw yesterday on fox news. Com that a ran through some of the analysis offered on trump hostile networks, some of our competition where a number of their legal analysts actually conceded that maybe this didnt go so well for the prosecution because it looked like Stormy Daniels sort of strayed off script, answered questions beyond what she was asked issuing sort of commentary along the way in ways that might not have been terribly useful to the jury, might have perturbed the judge even though the judge himself is antitrump and donated to joe biden. Is and she also looks like she has an agenda, talking about how much she hates the defendant, how she wants to see him go away. So maybe the opportunity here to get salacious details that weve heard before, by the way, this is not a new tale. Shes been telling the story now for a number of years. To hear it again in court under oath, have certain people all aflutter. But whether its advance it advanced the ball for alvin bragg and his team, thats another question. Howard lucy, the counterargument is that daniels received the Hush Money Payment from fox excuse me, from trump fixer Michael Cohen who testifies tomorrow, a whole weekend of being speculation about that, and, therefore, she has to try to convince the jury that there was a sexual encounter. Yeah, thats right, howie. Look, whether or not Stormy Daniels is a person that youre going to have over for a party or put on the main stage of your next event or, you know, give a book deal to, thats not really relevant for the purposes of whats at a issue in this trial this week which is did the thing happen, right . I think the prosecution was trying to establish did it happen because that is at the heart of whether or not these Hush Money Payments tock place. So took place. I dont think whether or not Stormy Daniels was credible or not or how she seems to come across really matters that much. She is a porn star, right . She is an adult entertainer. So if anyone were looking for someone to show up as though shes a girl scout, that wasnt going to be Stormy Daniels, and i dont think that was the purpose of her testimony for the prosecution. Howard okay. Well, i think her testimony matters because if shes not telling the truth, it raises all kinds of other questions. And, by the way, im going to move on to guy right now, but, by the way, she cant have been that traumatized by this episode because twice in the next year she sought out trump, had meetings with him because she wanted to get on the apprentice, which he had dangled. She admitted under crossexamination that she hates trump, wants to see him go to jail and all that. Theyre trying to portray her as a lying golddigger trying to shake down trump. She says, you know, she didnt ask for this and she got caught up in this thing that has turned her life upside down. I think theres probably a lot of people out there who kind of assume this encounter happened. I know trump denies, but he did pay her 1300,000 to not talk about something, so if we can maybe just skip past his denial, get to the fact that the payment happened, really her testimony become withs irrelevant because were not talking about is this man, you know, someone who had sex with a foreign star, was he engaged in infidelity, whatever. The question in a criminal trial is did he commit a crime. And i find it baffling, frankly, and ive talked about this with some of our legal analysts here at Fox On My Radio Show that the judge in this case, a biden donor, said, oh, yes, its definitely relevant and pertinent if to have Stormy Daniels up there describing the mechanics of the sex that happened. When i think its almost not stipulated, quite the opposite, but in i think in Public Opinion most people kind of assume this happened. But theres a Trump Defense witness and byron york wrote about this who was the chairman of the fec who can actually speak to whether or not from a federal perspective the disguising or the different characterization or categorization of this payment constituted a violation of fec law or finishing ec guidelines. Fec guidelines. That seems much more relevant to this case and the alleged crime that alvin bragg is trying to now sort of conjure up here, and the judge has decided that that witness that trumps a team wants to bring cant testify about a those details. How on earth does that make any sense . Howard lucy, stormy said repeateddedly i didnt want care about the money, i wasnt motivated by money. But she eagerly took the 130,000 which required her to keep quiet, and then she talked about a threat by an unnamed trump supporter in a powering lot. We cant fact check that, and she tried to sell the story to in touch magazine for 15,000, and she did get a deal for a book. Im not begrudging her to use the Free Enterprise system, but it kind of contradicted, i thought, this idea that money was irrelevant. Yeah. Look, i think we should be careful in how we talk about Stormy Daniels because humans dont exist in binary if situations. You can both be a person who has her, shall we say, background and renner or story and be a person repertory and be a person who maybe got out over your skis in this situation. I dont want to speculate about Stormy Daniels motivations per se. To guys point about why are all of these details relevant . Because of the same thing that you noted, because trump can bed it. And how Stormy Daniels handled the aftermath, whether or not she pursued, lets say, Economic Opportunities or not, yes, she did. Thats also not at issue, and its also a thing that i dont think really matters so much. As you say, guy, i think you are right, fec jail is real jail as Many Political operatives will remind if you, Campaign Finance is very important, but it is true in the coverage of this we really have lost what is at issue. And more importantly, i think, most people seem to not be paying so much attention or care. This is a real insider story. Howard well, thats interesting. Certainly if there were cameras or audio at least, i mean, the ratings would be a hundred times greater, ten times greater. I dont know the exact figure. Want to play some sound for you, guy, because first of all i should note that stormy says she did the 60 minutes interview for free, so trying to counteract the golddigger interview is. Unlike o. J. s semicon physicianal book if i did it, which nobody bought that, he did it, the new approach seems to be, yeah, i did it. So what . Lets listen to greg gutfeld. Now, it could be she really blacked out after having sex with trump which is a compliment. Truly, he screwed the brains out of herring. [laughter] oh, god. That makes him a sex god. Howard guy, colorful way of putting it, be i think that would have been a good deespecially if except for the fact that, in fairness, donald trump still incests that this never insists that this never happened, as in a sexual ebb counter. Encounter. Right. Which suggests that hes maybe still embarrassed about this coming public and there were people who were testifying that he was worried not just about a Political Campaign but about, for example, what his wife might think about all of this which is another motive for why he would pay her 130 grand. But here we are talking and talking and talking about the sex that i think probably happened that he denies, Stormy Daniels, shes a porn star and what position was it in and all of that, did she black out and was there a power battle. Were not talking about like a me too moment here. Were talking about, i thought, a crime, a crime that a prosecutor has decided to try to bring against a former president of the United States based on the same set of circumstances that his predecessor in that office in manhattan did not decide to move forward on, that the fec did not decide to move forward on in terms of charges and that the feds, the doj also made the same call. All of them looked at these facts and decided theres not a crime here to prosecute, but antitrump alvin bragg with his antitrump team, one guy left under doj to come and prosecute trump in front of a judge who donated to trumps opponent, they decided, okay, maybe we can figure out theres some bank shot here legally to turn it into a crime. Thats the number one issue, was there the a crime here, not is trump a good guy. Howard i have agreed that this is the most partisan of the cases, that its kind of a stretch. But, lucy, you guys keep saying, well, her testimony the about what happened isnt that important, but what is important is that in 2018 when trump was president , the Wall Street Journal reported the whole thing, the the scheme to pay her off, and she lied again which we already knew in denying it. These were just rumors, she said. She said the signature on a document wasnt really hers. Dont the media have to fairly grapple with those details . Wouldnt that behavior be consistent with a person whos trying to honor the nda in terms of the Hush Money Agreement . I think thats Much Ado About Nothing. What else was she supposed to do . Howard its lying its lying, how is it Much Ado About Nothing . I understand the nda, that the it requires her to lie, and you think thats not terribly important . I think that if you have signed an nda and, look, im not Stormy Daniels publicist. Im trying to piece this together as you are too. If you are a person who has entered an agreement where you receive money and youre supposed to the say nothing about it which, obviously, shes taking quite a different tone now, but you supposed to hold up your end of the bargain, then i would say arguably saying, no, thats not a thing, nothing to see here is you holding up your end of the bargain. Again, not Stormy Daniels pub list cyst, dont know whats in her mind. Howard ive got to stop here howiesome. Howard yes, guy. I just want to quickly say speaking of 2018 and taking money, the prosecutor leading the case in the courtroom took 12 grand from the dnc that year, another interesting note. Howard yes. Im glad you mentioned that. Two quick things in the documents case, classified documents in florida, the trump judge appointee, that is eileen cannon, has not only started has not even begun the case and refuses to set a date, and thats brought her a lot of media criticism. Also just on the veep stakes speculation, i wanted to get this in. Axios reported that donald trump is considering nikki haley who hasnt even endorsed him. And about 12 seconds later, the trump camp comes out and said, no, were not considering her. Just shows you how all of this can seem ephemeral. When we come back, violence and arrests at a college campuses, and joe biden actually sits down with a real journalist. Mom genes. She passed them down to you. But who passed them to her . Those mom genes helped make her who she is. Show her with ancestrydna. This mothers day, she can see the traits she inherited, the places where they started, and the people she shares them with. Best of all, its on sale for mothers day. Get it now, before she has to remind you. Introducing, neds plaque psoriasis. He thinks his flaky red patches are all people see. Otezla is the 1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. Otezla can help you get clearer skin. Dont use otezla if youre allergic to it. 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Look, look at the michigan survey. 65 of the American People think theyre in good shape economically. Howard guy benson, biden, in my view, hit the right notes in the holocaust speech, but given the spread of violence and arrests and how much had gone on before he gave that speech, was it a little too late . Yes, because he had a already both sidessed this issue. Some of these horrible prohamas hateallies he said, oh, i condemn it, but i also condemn the people who dont understand the plight of the palestinians, paraphrasing, which was an awful, awful answer. Theres also reporting, howie, as im sure youve seen, that he gave the holocaust speech at the holocaust museum, and his team was trying to keep under wraps in the days leading up to that speech his decision to withhold military aid from the israelis and then confirm that after the speech so it didnt step on what element of his pandering before he pandered to the other side. So this has been an extremely unimpressive performance by this president , one that i think has has shown a great deal of moral cowardice. Howard well cover that in the next segment, but wills such a thing as diplomacy behind the scenes whether you want to go public with it or not. Lucy, the three Cable News Networks all broke away from Stormy Daniels testimony, which was kind of at a sensitive point, to take the speech without the seemmy details because it would have just looked horrible. But it still made almost no news compared to the trump trial. The well, i think that a speech that is tied to a remembrance event, it is not lascivious, its not going to sort of drive can ratings in the way that what position the president chose with Stormy Daniels will as we just talked about in the last segment fortu