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athletes to talk openly about their mental health at the tokyo games and other events has sparked a new conversation, and prompted both support but also cynicism. some have questioned whether handling pressure is simply a pre—requisite of playing elite sport. but the us swimmer michael phelps is one of many who says this has given us the oportunity to blow this mental health thing even more wide open. it is so much bigger than we could even ever imagine. joining me now is helen richardson—walsh, former team gb hockey gold medallist, now coach and performance psychologist. also i'm joined by professor steve peters, sports psychiatrist to elite athletes and author of the chimp paradox and finally, paul farmer chief executive of mental health charity, mind is also with us. thank you to all three