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taken its toll on blacker. this is probably one of the most toxic things in making boards is the spraying, because you are using either isocyanates or you are using the cellulose, and cellulose isn't very good for your lungs or your skin or anything like that. you've got to have proper fume filter mask on, you've got to have that. isocyanates will mess your eyes up as well. so probably a bit of my vision now is coming over 35, 36 years of using isocyanates. then there is the industry's waste. it will be landfill at the end of the day? it'll be landfill. we are so far advanced in certain things and so far behind another ways. the worst thing at the moment is the little boogie boards, the cheap ones that break. there are hundreds of them around. they all end up in landfill. that is the sad thing — if you want to make something, make it last. and this is where much of that giant wave of surf waste comes from — beginner's boards thrown