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prize do for you as an artist at the time? well, it's the classic. you know, you win the turner prize and then you start getting invited to things that you weren't invited to before. and that's the exact moment that you don't want to go to those things because you know they're only inviting you because of the turner prize. that sort of thing. but i think it gives you... you definitely get an upgrade. you went to the courtauld to study art history, so was the idea to become an art historian or a curator? yeah, the idea was to, to be around art, because i liked it and i liked doing art history, so i wanted to be around paintings and sculpture and that world. i liked the world. so you could have been a curator? yes, i could have been. i could, but it would have been terrible. after i graduated, i did try working in a museum as a volunteer. and it was a disaster because itjust, nothing happens. you know, you're sitting in an office, you're not spending time with art or looking at it. you're. .. you know, it's admin, and itjust drove me nuts.