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not produce evidence to satiate her claim in relation to the horizon system. so what you are doing is looking at are so that can sub postmistress who has alleged that the shortfall that she had what to do with the horizon system. your response to her why that there were a number of court cases where that was rejected. i am not here to investigate that and you can't prove that the system wasn't working. that was your approach, wasn't it? you required the sub postmistress to prove that the system... required the sub postmistress to prove that the system. . .- required the sub postmistress to prove that the system... that's the business response _ prove that the system... that's the business response we _ prove that the system... that's the business response we were - prove that the system... that's the business response we were told . prove that the system... that's the business response we were told to | business response we were told to say. also, to assist me to try and find what issues may be with the horizon system, i would require someone to say, for example, if you press this, that happens. to just