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virgin mary because of the things that he stood for, his concern for the poor, environment. i mean, this guy was way ahead of his time. >> the pope tweeted true power is service. the pope must serve all people, especially the poor. that is his reputation, looking after the poor. what do you think of the new pope? >> i want to be optimistic. things that he said like all the other bishops about gay marriage and abortion, you know, they are just not in this century yet, but this man's approach is very different, and i -- i was thinking the other day that i remember back when gorbachev was named the new, you know, premier of the soefrkts an everybody said, ah, you know, he's from the politburo. he changed everything around. >> gives you hope and gives me hope. >> i would hope that this is the