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martialed on the front range of crimea. we're challenging the norms and stability, challenge to a system that is not to be dependent on the use of force. this is now a challenge for the international community, not just ukraine. >> ukraine cannot really survive without eastern ukraine, which is the source of much of its heavy industry and mining. so do you believe if something of the nature that you're outlining does happen, that the west will be able to do more? there has been reluctance in europe to do something like an energy ban because, of course, the europeans are very dependent on russia for energy. >> well, first of all, a lot depends on what the ukranians do themselves. if they don't resist, as they didn't in crimea, then obviously the international community is