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saying the gay community won't rest until, quote, there are no more churches. governor huckabee thanks for being here and happy easter. >> michael, great to be with you. thank you very much. happy easter to you. >> thank you, sir. so the question of the week -- should the baker have to bake the cake for the gay couple? >> well i think the question is really whether or not a person of conscience is able to say no to something. this is not about discrimination. it's about discretion. the fact is if the baker said no you can't come into my shop you can't eat a cupcake, i'm not going to serve you a doughnut that's discrimination. but if the baker is asked to do something that would require him to do something artistic that is not within his personal convictions, of course he should be able to say i can do this but i can't do that. that would be true for anyone. >> how would you distinguish that circumstance governor from the woolworth's lunch counter circa 1960 with an african-american patron?