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eventually was derailed. you see what happened you see the windo, that was shattered there. but they're looking now, they're taking a closer look to try to determine what that projectile or object was that may have hit that. i'm sure they're going to review the conversation between the engineers of that local commuter train and the amtrak 188. hold on for a moment madison. because ray lahood the former transportation secretary is joining us as well. this is major news, mr. secretary. the fact that there may be three trains in the philadelphia area. may have been hit by some sort of object or projectile. what do you make of this? >> you know, i don't really know wolf. i all i know is what i've been watching on your program. and if it's true obviously that would be a huge distraction. to the conductor and engineer and the folks that were