candidate. when he ran for attorney general the first time in 1946 they didn't televise campaigns. >> i don't think they did in 1950. but i am repelled and attracted, that is exactly true. i thoroughly enjoy campaigns. i liked running for president, i liked running for governor, i like run are for the u.s. senate. i like almost any campaign. don't tell me wlie, i can't explain that because in many ways i prefer reading and reflection out of my rain. i'm also very attracted to the contemplate of life. >> and you spent four years in a jesuit seminary. >> yes. >> took vows of poverty. >> chast pity and obedience. >> so which of those were the hardest to keep? what drove you out of the seminary. >> you see, obedience in the tradition has three elements. doing what the spirit tells you