difference from someone else being violent. however, when the president sounds like he is supporting this white supremacist attitude or this white supremacist ideology, they're getting that message loud and clear. they're getting it and what they're saying is he wants us to grow and they are recruiting. they are recruiting on college campuses and getting a lot more people to join them. >> let's be honest. there is no moral equivalency between neo-nazis and anyone else. i think that's kind of a basic point. mark, does the president not understand what he's saying or does he understand but just not care? >> you know, kate, i posed this question to a person who worked very closely with donald trump, knows him very well. i said, listen, is he a racist? does he believe in race it ideology or is he so thin skinned that he's incapable of expressing fault or saying sorry. the person paused and then said,