george bush fought in world war ii, believed that some of the ideals that roosevelt saw when he helped build the united nations were ideals that had a place in the cold war -- post-cold war world. he really felt that nations should work together for peace. >> just following on what you're describing here, really, the paradigm shift, right? you're talking about the politics of then in contrast to the politics of today, this feeling -- when you think about george h.w. bush, the themes that come to the fore of allies, of globalism, certainly in contrast to the politics that we're seeing play out now on the geopolitical stage. >> well, two things. one, i think individuals matter. there is a debate among historians and scholars the extent to which great events of the product of structure and great waves of change. and others look to the role of