that he should continue to lead? >> i believe in second chances. >> so is that a yes? >> i believe that people should have the ability to redeem them zblefls selves? >> if that is him, that would be not one instance of black face, it would be on top of him choosing to use black face in the mid-1980s, sir, to impersonate michael jackson on top of something that happened in zblirn poppy, it's -- >> just let me finish the question you'll have plenty of time to respond. in 2013 in this televised debate with lieutenant gubernatorial candidate ew jackson, an african american, sitting next to one another. at the end of the moderator thanks them and twice you saw mr. jackson reach out to shake northam's hand and he does not to do that. that made jackson feel, quote, categorically refuse and like i