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songwriter carole king. she is also a well known environmentalist and activist. we thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. it is great to be here. >> so let's talk about what's in these bills, tens of billions of dollars respectively that would go toward forest management. what do you want people to know about this? >> well, first of all, forest management is one of many euphemisms for logging. and i want people to know that these provisions are antithetical to climate action. they -- logging releases s megatons of carbon and living trees store carbon in our forest. the thing is that logging in our national forest is taxpayer subsidized. it has been for decades. hence the cost of 20 billion in

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