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immediately after january 6th with elaine chow, two also did, mitch mcconnell's wife, who was also in the cabinet. but to go to the vice president, and i know that his staff was trying to keep him away from all of this, but to go to the vice president and say do you think there's any possibility of the 25th amendment? because the vice president would have to go along with that. and he said no. but to hear betsy devos, so conservative, so pro-trump, come out and say this today was remarkable. and i think a taste of what we may be hearing on these hearings tonight and going forward. >> devos sounds like what she was upset about is not just leading up to january 6th but trump not doing anything to stop it. >> listen, i think that, you know, stephanie has a good point about do people in america care about january 6th? there's so many things that people face, gas prices are high, there's so many things going on. i think that there is a concern. there should be a concern about what happened that day, and i think she reflected that.