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releasing the tapes of your interview with trump. and you said hearing the audio is more telling than just seeing the words written on paper. you describe trump pounding in your ears. and that no in that last exchange that we just played, the former president is almost yelling no at you like he is angry. >> well, in he is dismissing any responsibility he has. and that no is like a thunderclap. i am walking away from this. if there was ever the leadership test of a lifetime for the president, it was this pandemic. it was a health and political crisis like we've not seen in this country. and he walked away from it. and as you listen to these tapes, particularly on the virus, but on any subject, he kind of goes from denial to