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little bit. but as a result he kind of wasn't there at the forefront to kind of land these punches. and maybe this was a wakeup call. maybe 20 -- maybe this election was an opportunity for him to come back, so to speak. anyone else jump in, but it just feels like, you know -- >> i want to play this and i want you to respond to this, kyrsten because we've talked about in the past as well. he was on the campaign trail, which is countered, measured, talking about this from an esoteric perspective. he went after people on the campaign trail. listen to this. >> let's say you're at the airport and you see mr. walker. you say, hey, there's herschel walker, hiceisman winner. let's have him fly the plane. you probably wouldn't say that. listen, it's easy to joke about dr. oz and all these quack remedies he's pushed on tv. if somebody's willing to pedal snake oil to make a buck, then

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