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police doesn't say it. police unions don't say it. this is the challenge, i think, scott, sorry to just talk to you but i will say to you. the challenge is, we don't have this conversation. we don't talk about this nexus. molly said it is not an either/or. absolutely not. but, the problem is that the response, i have to say, from the republican side is, we don't want to talk about this. we only want to talk about this as mental health, nothing else. when the river looking controlled congress, they wouldn't even allow a study of gun violence. they wouldn't spend the money to get data. 690 mass shootings, last year. there is no country on earth that has that. why should we be exceptional in the amount of gun violence we have? this year, we have 609, so far. we may actually get more than last year. this is an epidemic. >> let me let scott respond. scott, why are publicans uncomfortable talking about the gun aspect of this epidemic?

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