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middle that can build out. all these major things we've accomplished this year, the infrastructure bill, the p.a.c.t. act, the veterans bill, the chips and science act, all came from people getting together on both parties and building a consensus outward. that's really the way it has to work. i understand what she's doing and don't really criticize it. you can say, well, she's trying to avoid a primary. i think you have to look deeper than that and say where are we with this primary system. if lisa murkowski had to run in a republican primary in alaska, she would be gone and we would have lost one of our very best senators. >> you were on 60 minutes last year. it's quick, but i want people to watch what you said about being an independent. here you were. >> i have no automatic friends in the legislature, but i also don't have enemies. i have 186 skeptics. >> i like that. >> this when i was governor.