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specifically when judge jackson talks about, first of all, the lack of judicial review generally for issues that come up under the pra when nara makes their claims and all that. here's where i think it's relevant, whether it directly applies or not, i think it's relevant to the willful prong. the question here under 793 e, one of the questions is a third prong, whether the person being charged willfully did it. that means did something he knew was prohibited by the law. you're going to say to me, you can hear from the tape it seems that he knew, you know, what he was doing he wasn't allowed to do it and so on. tapes can be cross examined. what were the circumstances, you know, exactly what was the rest of the conversation, and so on. again, we have to hear from the defense about all of these things. but i think it plays into what was in his mind, what he understood from his advisers, right or wrong, about what he had the authority to do with documents. >> david schoen, and you make a