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haven't seen vladimir putin yet, we haven't seen the defense secretary yet, we haven't seen general gerasimov yet. and that is unnerving, given everything we've seen transpire in less than 72 hours. mind you, there is somewhat of a bank holiday, a work day off in moscow. so, what the united states wants is more stability right now, and there's concern that that's not going to happen. and obviously the u.s. wants the war to end, and that's not going to happen any time soon either. >> it's not clear, is it, that if putin were not to survive this, it's not clear that his replacement would be any better, any more conciliatory, any less aggressive. >> and i think that's with intent. that's why vladimir putin built this indestructible power portable that we've seen for the past 20-odd years, 23 years that he's been in power. and that was for this very reason, that there would be no ability for a coup to take place.