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this, as nick was describing, alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus, the one who supposedly negotiates this deal between putin and prigozhin. he's very much seen as a puppet of putin. but he comes out and say he got prigozhin on the phone when putin wasn't able to and he negotiated six or seven rounds before prigozhin finally agreed to stop. we don't know how much of this is hyperbole or exaggeration, but it doesn't make putin look good. it makes him look for impotent, does it reveal anything to you. >> it does. it gives you some insight in how other author taran leaders see putin. he's the ultimate strong man and the pedestal for the way a strong man behaves, the way he governs and maintains strict discipline over his elites. clearly that is not the case. he was responsible in part in