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lot of the arguments have been made and rejected by individuals, lawmakers, on both sides of the aisle as well as in courts of law. so there's no reason for anyone to believe, in my view, after the certification process and the challenges have been dismissed, that the results of michigan's elections were anything but an accurate reflection of the will of the people. but notably, as more evidence built, showing that those results were accurate, the attempts to overturn those results escalated and became more vitriolic and more potentially violent, of course leading into the tragedy january 6th. so that was what was also compounding at the time. >> secretary benson, thank you for your time this evening. appreciate it. kaitlan? >> great to get her perspective on this. obviously she's been at the center of it. i'm joined by cnn legal affairs consultant paula reid. paulo, we've been tracking this all day in the question is what does thursday look like? trump's attorneys leaving open the possibility that it could be in person or virtual. what are the options here? >> they have the option to do