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you know, as mayor on this campaign with the man he's become today. it's very hard. i hope people can get some answers out of our documentary. >> and ken, the latest story about, you know, how he's been asking trump to help pay his legal bills. it sounds like he's in dire straits financially. what a total collapse of a human being we're witnessing here, it seems. >> yeah. it's true. it's absolutely true. he had a very expensive divorce. he has very expensive legal bills. and expenses, and no one is hiring him to be a lawyer. his law licenses have been suspended and are in jeopardy. how do you make a living? making $300 cameos? it's not enough. >> yeah. and i mean, what ultimately do you think will be giuliani's fate here?