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it's not for them, but it's kind of like that's what you get for thinking this guy was so cool when no one looks deeper into anything about him. why did he get that new york apartment for free? how did he get his money? why does he have these young girls around? no one looked any deeper. they just thought it was cool that he was a big philanthropist and this money. no one looked deeper into anything, and so they're going to get labeled as part of the whole thing. but as far as the sex trafficking thing, it sounds like he was the only one they were trafficked to, i guess. >> well, let me ask you, heidi, there is one name or one label that is now on an associate of jeffrey epstein, and it's convicted felon and now prisoner. i'm talking about ghislaine maxwell. >> she's cruising around like elementary or junior high