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so we've seen them in other courtrooms take on that more aggressive more performative tone. and i think a panel here in the d.c. circuit won't be receptive to that. >> and what a great point about this. there are pretty powerful alum from the circuit court of appeals that you can mention you think about some of the supreme court justices. in fact one, judge childs, was on a short list for a potential supreme court nomination to replace justice breyer. and i've been before judge pann. and there was no pleasantries. she was very professional, but no moment where it was like let's shoot the breeze for a second. she wants to know why you are here and what you are doing about it. just twofr of the three very serious judge. he probably know that he is can't talk. even in new york he had to be on