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personality than a campaign. i suspect they love this stuff. it does create an opening for nikki haley. i think -- if i can advise governor haley, she needs to say, trump may be innocent. he may be guilty. we don't know. but we do know he's distracted. all he talks about is himself. i'm going to be in it for you. point out to them, look -- i would say he's like -- before the opera. it's me, me, me, me. governor haley should say, i'm going to focus on you, you, you, you. >> holly, what's anna's point there's a double standard here. if joe biden were out there talking about this kind of stuff, folks would have a field day with it. and here we have donald trump one day before the iowa caucuses talking about thomas jefferson, saying this nonsensical stuff about the carters. >> yeah. trump said a lot of crazy stuff yesterday. trump says a lot of crazy stuff all the time and then complains about how there's something wrong with biden.