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so i think one place, she's obviously focusing on the suburbs. it's the marco rubio strategy, if you will. he almost beat donald trump here in 2016. it was a one percentage point difference. so the suburb votes and they have grown considerably since then. dallas county and polk county, the two population centers, that's her strength. she's not as organized as desantis, but i'm looking at those population centers. we talked about 2000. iowa has grown and changed significantly since then. >> and i just want to quickly play off of that because one of the things desantis has been saying, if you look at "the des moines register" poll, is that -- and he's got facts to back it up, data, that some of her support -- more of her support than other candidates comes from independents and even some democrats. listen to what desantis told me about that and then what haley told me. >> there's only two possible nominees, donald trump or governor desantis, we're the

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