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>> strangers to you. >> i don't to this day, i don't know their names some of those strangers restrain the attacker. will others desperately tried to stem the flow of rushdie's blood that was really a lot of blood. you were actually watching your boats that you're watching its spread then i remember thinking that i was probably dying and it was interesting because it was quite matter of fact, it wasn't like i was terrified of it or whatever. >> and yeah, there was nothing no heavenly quires no pearly gates. i mean, i'm not a supernatural person. i believed that deaf comes as the end. there was nothing that happened that made me change my mind about that. >> you have not had a revelation. >> i have not had any revelation except that there's no revelation to be had his attacker, the man in black, was hustled off the stage in the book, you do not use the attackers name? >> yeah. >> i thought, you know i don't want his name in my book and i don't use it in conversation either, but that is important to you, not to give him space in your brain?